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    Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by rwalters » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:15 pm

    http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/bla ... mID=172763

    This is going to provide some major major competition for UMC. Already pulled down Lamb of God, Machine Head, and Anthrax..... jesus...... depending on the details of this I may be switching. I mean..... damn..... Scott Ian, Robb Flynn, and Randy Blythe....


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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by mooyagi » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:21 pm

    Was wondering when UMC would get some competition! Competition is good. Anthrax is a good name, but that would be the only one that interests me so far. I wonder if this Rockstar Mayhem Cruise will be more geared towards American metal bands, which seeing LoG and Machine Head seems to possibly indicate. Also, I wonder if that Machine Head Barge rumor can be put to bed now and this is the cruise they were going to be on.

    Edit: If it does focus on American metal, I see a slightly different demographic, as in my experience, the European and American metal crowds (new wave of American metal) tend to be somewhat different. Of course, there will be a ton of overlap still.
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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by rwalters » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:26 pm

    The thing here with me is taht I've seen Lamb of God like 7 times, Anthrax 5x and Machine Head 7x. These are the bands I get to see ALL THE TIME so it wouldn't be as special to me.

    However, Anthrax, Lamb of God, and Machine Head are some of my all time favorite bands. Probably because I get to see them all the time. :lol:

    I don't think the crowds will be too much different. Probably a more mosh oriented crowd for this, but it'll still be mostly older folks with money that can afford it.
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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by mooyagi » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:29 pm

    rwalters wrote:The thing here with me is taht I've seen Lamb of God like 7 times, Anthrax 5x and Machine Head 7x. These are the bands I get to see ALL THE TIME so it wouldn't be as special to me.

    However, Anthrax, Lamb of God, and Machine Head are some of my all time favorite bands. Probably because I get to see them all the time. :lol:

    I don't think the crowds will be too much different. Probably a more mosh oriented crowd for this, but it'll still be mostly older folks with money that can afford it.


    Good point on the money thing. :lol: Also, yes, part of the draw of the UMC cruises is that I get to see bands that rarely tour the US. Those bands for the Rockstar cruise tour the US all the time. I guess we'll find out.... SOON!
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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by rwalters » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:33 pm

    I don't think this will be a 40 band cruise but something more smaller scale in quantity. However if I see the word Megadeth appear on any cruise (Dave Mustaine is my personal lord and saviour) then I'm writing the check right now.
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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by mooyagi » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:54 pm

    I wonder if this is indicative of what the lineup will be like for that cruise. Rockstar Mayhem Festival Tour:

    http://rockstarmayhemfest.com/bands

    Slipknot
    Slayer
    Motorhead
    Anthrax
    As I Lay Dying
    The Devil Wears Prada
    Asking Alexandria
    Whitechapel
    High on Fire
    Upon a Burning Body
    I the Breather
    Dirtfedd

    If that's what it's like I'd definitely pass :lol:
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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by rwalters » Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:01 pm

    I'm already going to that :lol: I go every year. Also used to go to all the Ozzfests / Gigantours. It's all we get man. Slayer, Motorhead, Anthrax, As I Lay Dying, High On Fire is enough for me.
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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by KevinP » Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:42 pm

    rwalters wrote: However if I see the word Megadeth appear on any cruise (Dave Mustaine is my personal lord and saviour) then I'm writing the check right now.


    Am I missing the humor in this? This was a tongue in cheek remark, right ? :? :? :?

    And I wonder how much this cruise is gonna cost people. Not that I would even consider it, just curious by comparison.

    Also, if it has more American bands, then that saves the promoter lots of $$$ for flights/VISAS/etc. and frees them up to pay the bands more (one would think)
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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by Stained Class » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:25 pm

    KevinP wrote:
    rwalters wrote: However if I see the word Megadeth appear on any cruise (Dave Mustaine is my personal lord and saviour) then I'm writing the check right now.


    Am I missing the humor in this? This was a tongue in cheek remark, right ? :? :? :?

    Well I thought it was funny. Not sure if he meant it but there was bit of irony in there :lol:
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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by mooyagi » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:56 am

    More info. Holy crap this is definitely not something I would want to do. Note: It leaves right after the Barge returns. I wonder if it's the same ship :lol:

    Via Blabbermouth:

    Kevin Lyman, Vans Warped Tour founder and producer of the Rockstar Energy Drink Mayhem Festival, has confirmed to Metal Insider that The Rockstar Energy Drink Mayhem Festival Boat will take place December 7-11. The floating festival will feature performances by LAMB OF GOD, ANTHRAX, MACHINE HEAD and SUICIDE SILENCE as well as other, yet-to-be-announced acts from the Metal Blade, Sumerian, Roadrunner and Century Media labels. KORN's Jonathan Davis and SLIPKNOT's Sid Wilson will DJ on the cruise as J-Devil and DJ Starscream, respectively, and there will also be a film festival presented by Fangoria and SLIPKNOT's Shawn "Clown" Crahan, who will also curate a charity art show.
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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by Stained Class » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:18 am

    mooyagi wrote:More info. Holy crap this is definitely not something I would not want to do. Note: It leaves right after the Barge returns. I wonder if it's the same ship :lol:

    Via Blabbermouth:

    Kevin Lyman, Vans Warped Tour founder and producer of the Rockstar Energy Drink Mayhem Festival, has confirmed to Metal Insider that The Rockstar Energy Drink Mayhem Festival Boat will take place December 7-11. The floating festival will feature performances by LAMB OF GOD, ANTHRAX, MACHINE HEAD and SUICIDE SILENCE as well as other, yet-to-be-announced acts from the Metal Blade, Sumerian, Roadrunner and Century Media labels. KORN's Jonathan Davis and SLIPKNOT's Sid Wilson will DJ on the cruise as J-Devil and DJ Starscream, respectively, and there will also be a film festival presented by Fangoria and SLIPKNOT's Shawn "Clown" Crahan, who will also curate a charity art show.

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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by KevinP » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:22 am

    The Douchebag event of the year just got Douchy-er :lol: :lol: :lol:
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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by Laura » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:38 am

    Well, I'm a big Machine Head fan (see wishlist :mrgreen: ) and to a bit lesser extent a Lamb of God fan, but I think the whole vibe of that cruise will be quite different and I have a strong hunch not as appealing to me overall compared to the UMC cruises/line-ups. Anyone think it's possible that some bands might actually do both cruises? Like Machine Head? *crosses fingers*

    and while I'm here...I've never understood why (some) people love to rag on Lamb of God. I've only got one album by them (Sacrament), but I love it start to finish (and have listened to some random other stuff on youtube), plus I saw them about 4-5 years ago and I thought they were outstanding live.
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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by rwalters » Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:33 pm

    I'm a huge early days Lamb of God fan and have seen them on every album tour. I consider As the Palaces Burns as this generation's Reign in Blood and one of the best 25 releases I've ever heard. That cruise for me depends on the number of bands. I can't imagine them throwing out 40 bands. The only thing that is really bad is the Jonathan Davis DJ shit. That's TERRIBLE.

    Sacrament is OK. Every album before it is 10x better. Every album following it is worse.

    I also think in their prime they were as good a live bands as you can get and I've seen just about every band there is to see. I base this off of the feeling Slayer is the greatest live band of all time. Depends on what you want in your show.
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    by Metalwrath » Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:56 pm

    mooyagi wrote:More info. Holy crap this is definitely not something I would not want to do. Note: It leaves right after the Barge returns. I wonder if it's the same ship :lol:

    Via Blabbermouth:

    Kevin Lyman, Vans Warped Tour founder and producer of the Rockstar Energy Drink Mayhem Festival, has confirmed to Metal Insider that The Rockstar Energy Drink Mayhem Festival Boat will take place December 7-11. The floating festival will feature performances by LAMB OF GOD, ANTHRAX, MACHINE HEAD and SUICIDE SILENCE as well as other, yet-to-be-announced acts from the Metal Blade, Sumerian, Roadrunner and Century Media labels. KORN's Jonathan Davis and SLIPKNOT's Sid Wilson will DJ on the cruise as J-Devil and DJ Starscream, respectively, and there will also be a film festival presented by Fangoria and SLIPKNOT's Shawn "Clown" Crahan, who will also curate a charity art show.

    This sounds like good news to me.It means less chance of any douchebags being on the UMC cruises because they'll all be on this heap of shit.
    Look at the kind of bands that UMC books and then look at the bands on this atrocity.
    Fair enough Anthrax are booked on that cruise and they made some good albums about 20 years ago but UMC has sold their cruise out twice catering to people with metal bands for more seasoned metalheads as opposed to your common retard that just picked up his first copy of metal hammer magazine.

    It's like comparing apples to oranges. Do you think for example Headbangers open air competes with Wacken? the answer is no.
    What we are talking about here is the mainstream metal bands versus metal bands that aren't as commercial.
    Sure the mainstream cruise will sell quicker but the majority of metalheads who have been on the UMC cruises don't give a fuck about those bands anyway.

    And look at the amount of people who came from Europe for the UMC cruises.
    Like you'll ever get the same amount of people traveling from Europe to see Machine and Lamb of god. pfffffffffffffffffffffffffttt
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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by Stained Class » Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:00 pm

    Actually it seems to me like a lot of Europeans are stoked to see bands like that because they don't go over to Europe very often. Just an observation.
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    by Metalwrath » Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:03 pm

    Stained Class wrote:Actually it seems to me like a lot of Europeans are stoked to see bands like that because they don't go over to Europe very often. Just an observation.

    They play enough as it is in Europe.
    The likes of machine Head and Lamb of God usually play once a year even in Ireland
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    by Laura » Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:58 pm

    rwalters wrote:I'm a huge early days Lamb of God fan and have seen them on every album tour. I consider As the Palaces Burns as this generation's Reign in Blood and one of the best 25 releases I've ever heard. That cruise for me depends on the number of bands. I can't imagine them throwing out 40 bands. The only thing that is really bad is the Jonathan Davis DJ shit. That's TERRIBLE.

    Sacrament is OK. Every album before it is 10x better. Every album following it is worse.

    I also think in their prime they were as good a live bands as you can get and I've seen just about every band there is to see. I base this off of the feeling Slayer is the greatest live band of all time. Depends on what you want in your show.


    Haha re: your comment "depends on what you want in a live show" because that's a pretty loaded concept for me - I've enjoyed quite a variety of musical "experiences" since I was a little kid, and I like very different things (somewhat equally) for different reasons. As far as metal gigs go, I tend to really get off the *most* on the over-the-top, grab-you-by-the-throat, heavy, theatrical, intense, in-your-face kind of performances - last year I'd say my favorite small club gig was Norway's blackened punk/metal band Kvelertak http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDyHhV9UK-4 and my favorite large arena type gig was Rammstein. But I love a ton of stuff - so many great acts on 70K 2011 (and 2012!) and at Hole in the Sky in Norway last summer. I believe I read you are not a black metal fan, but that is actually my favorite music genre period - so it was the ultimate thrill for me to see Satyricon, Mayhem, Enslaved, and Immortal in one night in that most amazing city of Bergen. For 2012 so far, the Behemoth gig I just saw last Friday is my favorite.

    I've seen Slayer twice in the past few years at Wacken and in Chicago - agree - great live band (although I must admit, not a band I listen to regularly).
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    by WizardBeast » Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:56 pm

    that fest is an awful lineup!

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    by Laura » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:34 pm

    WizardBeast wrote:that fest is an awful lineup!

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    don't intend to be the proverbial pain in the ass (or at least devil's advocate) - but oh well..... awful to who?

    What is with all the *smells of* elitism? What do people REALLY not like about bands like:
    Machine Head? (I love)
    Lamb of God? (I like)
    Anthrax ? (don't really know)

    Do you think these bands are (and I'm not at all just pointing the finger at you Rhia - just general statement)....
    bad musicians?
    bad songwriters?
    bad performers?
    have sucky, stupid fans?
    in some strange way, are low class or beneath you?
    are too popular?
    their music sucks?
    too mainstream?

    Again - I REALLY don't intend to pick on anyone in particular and btw, I already said I'd choose Barge over this Mayhem cruise, but I just get so turned off by the dissing of certain kinds of bands/music/festivals....I just don't get it.
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    by cowboy71 » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:21 pm

    Eloquently put Laura :)

    For me, this cruise reeks of commercialism - the whole "Rockstar" "Mayhem" branding/naming instantly turns me off.

    The same would happen for me if our beloved cruise(s) were branded "70,000 Tons of Metal HAMMER" or the "Terrorizer Barge to Hell" or something like that :)

    The film festival thing and the DJ'ing thing - meh. Its good to see a few different ideas being worked into the 'metal cruise' genre but if I'm going on a metal cruise thats what I want. METAL! Not some djs or movies.

    The bands? meh - I just don't like 'em. Seen Anthrax live once or twice and they put on a good show, dont know SS, and MH and LoG I just don't get into. "yet-to-be-announced acts from the Metal Blade, Sumerian, Roadrunner and Century Media label" intrigues me as I like many many acts on those labels. So the lineup could end up being of some interest to me. But currently its seeming to be a more 'mainstream' lineup - I mean three of the 4 initial bands have more last.fm listeners than any band that was on 70k 2011 (re-iterating that last.fm listeners isn't the be-all and end-all, but it presents some handy data)!

    And onto your final point - *deep sighs* thats just an ages old problem isn't it? :) People love dissing things they don't like. Just look at blabbermouth(!!) where people that claim to not care about [insert band/album/festival name here] then CONSTANTLY take time to read an article then post lame-arse comments about it!

    I've just become so desensitized to it I just fail to care now. I mean - I hate black metal. I hate most death metal. Doesn't mean I'm gonna bitch every time I see someone mention those genres, or when a band fitting those genres is added to a lineup or whatever.

    Just like I rarely bite back when some cookie-monster-vocal-lover like Kevin makes doofus comments about power metal.

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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by mooyagi » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:23 pm

    Laura wrote:
    What is with all the *smells of* elitism? What do people REALLY not like about bands like:
    Machine Head? (I love)
    Lamb of God? (I like)
    Anthrax ? (don't really know)


    Aside from Anthrax, they suck. Detailed enough? :P :lol: They play a style that just doesn't appeal to me whatsoever.

    This Rockstar cruise is definitely playing to a different demographic than what UMC is. As Cowboy mentioned, this one reeks of commercialism and the "trendy" metal scene (at least in the US).
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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by mooyagi » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:24 pm

    Cowboy, you have the stats for record companies for each band on this cruise and on Barge? The announcement states bands for Rockstar are all coming from the "mainstream" metal labels in the US. Adds more to the "mainstream/trendy" appeal.
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    by Laura » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:38 pm

    mooyagi wrote:
    Laura wrote:
    What is with all the *smells of* elitism? What do people REALLY not like about bands like:
    Machine Head? (I love)
    Lamb of God? (I like)
    Anthrax ? (don't really know)


    Aside from Anthrax, they suck. Detailed enough? :P :lol: They play a style that just doesn't appeal to me whatsoever.

    This Rockstar cruise is definitely playing to a different demographic than what UMC is. As Cowboy mentioned, this one reeks of commercialism and the "trendy" metal scene (at least in the US).


    Again - it is a style that does not "appeal" to YOU - but obviously it does to a lot of people (although if we really want to spit hairs I think there are elements of those "Rockstar Mayhem" bands that are not too dis-similar to much of what you DO like (and I'm basing this on the fact that you and I like A LOT of the same bands - even HIM for cryin' out loud)....I think there is more to this whole dissing of certain bands than people care to fess up too.

    Bottom line is: I like what I like - I don't like something because I want to impress people or I care if it's "fashionable" or cool, or whatever. To boot, the idea of "guity pleasure" does not exist in my mind. I'm completely unapologetic when it comes to things I like.

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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by mooyagi » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:41 pm

    People can like what they want to like. Doesn't bother me. Just stating my opinions on the topic since this is an online forum and that's what people do here. LoG and Machine Head definitely don't fit into what I like from a metal band.
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    by Laura » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:44 pm

    mooyagi wrote:People can like what they want to like. Doesn't bother me. Just stating my opinions on the topic since this is an online forum and that's what people do here. LoG and Machine Head definitely don't fit into what I like from a metal band.


    fair enough - but blatantly putting down an artistic form I don't care for is something I generally don't do so it is a foreign concept to me.
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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by mooyagi » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:46 pm

    Laura wrote:
    mooyagi wrote:People can like what they want to like. Doesn't bother me. Just stating my opinions on the topic since this is an online forum and that's what people do here. LoG and Machine Head definitely don't fit into what I like from a metal band.


    fair enough - but blatantly putting down an artistic form I don't care for is something I generally don't do so it is a foreign concept to me.


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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by Laura » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:56 pm

    Believe me when I say I'm very happy that I have my very old-skool perspective both personally & professionally (particularly when it comes to my work as a librarian) in all matters relating to the big "I."
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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by KevinP » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:36 pm

    Laura wrote:fair enough - but blatantly putting down an artistic form I don't care for is something I generally don't do so it is a foreign concept to me.


    You gotta understand, most of it is just poking fun and having a good time with all of it. But generally speaking, like most things in life, the more popular it is, the less quality it has. Why is that? Well once you dumb something down for a mass audience to accept, it cheapens it, it has less cache. As a metalhead, you are used to being the outcast or going against the commercial flow and not liking what every other Tom, Dick and Harry like. Most people are not discerning enough or take the time to really get into any subject matter. So when you listen to metal, and dive deeper into the more extreme and/or underground sub genres, you feel more knowledgeable, empowered, etc. in the overall scene (just like in any hobby you may be into). So when you see bands get popular, it's "usually" (not a 100% rule) for a reason: it's been simplified.

    People like all of us (who have been on these cruises), are into it because we like the music, not because it's trendy or "the place to be". These are mainly bands that fly under the radar, that you have to search out to get their music. The Rockstar Mayhem stuff takes ZERO effort, and that caters to the "casual meathead" (for lack of a better term). As a librarian, you have access and knowledge to hundreds of books that most people have no clue about on a plethora of subjects. You're telling me that if you knew of some really great book (that is hardly popular or well known), and felt strongly about, was passed over by the average Joe for some typical cliff notes type book on the subject, that doesn't bother you in the least bit???

    I think alot of this attitude is just "innate" and why many of us were drawn to metal (among other reasons). Heck, I've never been drunk or high simply based on the fact that every schmuck in high school was doing it. I didn't want to be like everyone else. Why was I like that? I have no idea, that was just hardwired into my DNA. When I was 10 years old, even something like "Photograph" by Def Leppard I liked, and then suddenly my little sister liked the song (and she was typical Top 40 only knew hit songs on the radio) it instantly turned me off.

    Now I'm not saying that it's a completely logical/valid mindset to immediately diss or shit on anything that gets any mainstream or widespread appeal. But from an emotional and "cache" level, it just does. No one ever claimed that human beings were perfect and 100% sane, logical and rationale. Then again, I don't think it's always correct to be that way on all things. Emotion/feeling always has and always will play a part.

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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by KDibildeaux » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:09 pm

    Who are you and what have you done with Kevin? :shock:

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    WTF Mayhem fest curise aka copying 70k

    by DarkStalker » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:11 pm

    I saw this on the net while doing my metal rounds
    Lamb of God, Machine Head, Anthrax + More To Set Sail for 2012 Mayhem Fest Cruise:
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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by rwalters » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:24 pm

    So at my wedding I got to do one metal song and chose this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HpBs_ri808

    It's not their fault they got popular. They were just that good. LOG would just destroy places. Never seen anything like it. There is very little energy in most "underground metal band" shows that I've seen.

    In regards to Machine Head, Burn My Eyes is the best debut album ever. I really wish they were headlining Barge :( :( Right now I have Cavaleraless Sepultura...... get me some fucking names.
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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by Laura » Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:08 am

    KevinP wrote:
    Laura wrote:fair enough - but blatantly putting down an artistic form I don't care for is something I generally don't do so it is a foreign concept to me.


    You gotta understand, most of it is just poking fun and having a good time with all of it. But generally speaking, like most things in life, the more popular it is, the less quality it has.


    I know it's mostly poking fun (ha - especially in your case) and I must say that these kinds of conversations are often the kind I enjoy and learn from (at least gain another perspective) the most. But, I strongly disagree with your point that (even though you did say generally speaking) that the more popular something is, the less quality it has. I definitely feel this way about music, but feel the same about so many other visual and performing arts including film, theater, TV shows, dance, art, and so on; and also popular fiction and non-fiction. Whether something is ultra popular/has mass appeal is not the kiss of death for me as it seems to be for some people.

    KevinP wrote:People like all of us (who have been on these cruises), are into it because we like the music, not because it's trendy or "the place to be". These are mainly bands that fly under the radar, that you have to search out to get their music. The Rockstar Mayhem stuff takes ZERO effort, and that caters to the "casual meathead" (for lack of a better term). As a librarian, you have access and knowledge to hundreds of books that most people have no clue about on a plethora of subjects. You're telling me that if you knew of some really great book (that is hardly popular or well known), and felt strongly about, was passed over by the average Joe for some typical cliff notes type book on the subject, that doesn't bother you in the least bit???


    Again - I really can't buy into some of the generalizations you're making about taking zero effort and such. And regarding your comment regarding my work, believe it or not - it doesn't bother me one bit re: say, for example, the really "good" academic type book on an artist versus some really basic introduction with a lot of pictures and more simplistic language. Another example might be the teenager who wants to look at all our graffiti and tattoo art books - we've got a great collection on both topics....kids like that are most likely not going be asking about or be interested in Botticelli (one of my very favorite artists) and that's ok. People who use our library come from so many different backgrounds (education, age, and so on), and therefore have very different needs and interests....it's one of the reasons why I love my job so much. Your comment was actually really great and thought-provoking - I had an A-HA! moment in fact! I think the main reason why I am so open-minded when it comes to various forms of artistic expression (music, art, and so on) and people's individual tastes is that the book and magazine collections I've worked with (and been instrumental in developing in the case of the "permanent reference collection") for nearly 23 years are so vast and varied - from the most esoteric to the most popular topics. And ha - I can honestly say - it's all good. :P

    KevinP wrote:(P.S. - it's late and I could articulate this subject matter much better in person than in written form. and I'm too tired to prattle on any further :lol: )

    I think you articulated quite well....but I agree this is the kind of conversation that is easier to have in person. :cheers:
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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by Laura » Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:11 am

    rwalters wrote:So at my wedding I got to do one metal song and chose this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HpBs_ri808

    It's not their fault they got popular. They were just that good. LOG would just destroy places. Never seen anything like it. There is very little energy in most "underground metal band" shows that I've seen.

    In regards to Machine Head, Burn My Eyes is the best debut album ever. I really wish they were headlining Barge :( :( Right now I have Cavaleraless Sepultura...... get me some fucking names.


    That's a great song and video. :cheers:
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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by mooyagi » Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:14 am

    KevinP wrote:(P.S. - it's late and I could articulate this subject matter much better in person than in written form. and I'm too tired to prattle on any further :lol: )


    I think you articulated your points very well.
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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by DrinkMoxie » Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:15 am

    Laura wrote:Again - it is a style that does not "appeal" to YOU - but obviously it does to a lot of people...


    please, please, PLEASE do not mistake popularity for talent.
    In the USA, popularity = appeal to the largest common denominator... and this country isn't exactly known for having an intellectual majority.
    There's a reason a band like ICP can say in Rolling Stone that all their fans are idiots and not lose any of their fan base... they know their fan base doesn't read. Also, Jersey Shore is more likely to shape culture than any art/museum exhibit you will ever come across here.
    And finally, Hitler was well known for his ability to appeal to the masses.
    So, please NEVER use appeal to the masses as though it is a reasonable argument.

    Now for a bit of my opinion...

    Anthrax: Awesome, though they were on a downward spiral for a long time they're back in great form and that shitty cruise is lucky to have them.

    Machine Head: Put out 2 solid albums in the mid 90s, then went numetal and started dressing like powerman 5000 with the 3rd release to capitalize on a trend. It was an insult to their fans, and most fans smartly turned their backs on them. Sadly, some people have gone soft and apologist about Machine Head with their return to heavier material, and don't even realize how insincere it is. Machine doesn't deserve the respect of metalheads.

    Lamb Of God: I liked Burn The Priest, and got to be at their 1st show as Lamb Of God. Their 1st 2 cds were quite solid and definitely came out at the right time. With their 3rd cd it just seemed like they went, "Oh, hey, we've found a formula and we don't have to try anymore. We can even simplify our music to get more mass appeal, and we don't care that the people who will notice will stop liking us, because we'll be raking in money from all the people who only hear our noise." Frankly, their egos got huge, their music got simpler, and their fan base shifted to the mall. I've listened to all of their cds, and everything after "As The Palaces Burn" is just boring and their legacy has soured my former joy of their first 2 cds and the Burn The Priest cd...

    and as for the korn and slipknot guys and the dj crap... lol
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    by Laura » Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:30 am

    ^^^ Bill - from your response, I think you either misunderstood what I was trying to say and/or I wrote it poorly and it didn't convey my thoughts properly re the whole popularity / quality / individual tastes / elitism topic. Or maybe the problem is that brief sound-bite you quoted from my usual walls of text gives a certain impression.... that can be a problem with quoting snippets of what someone writes in a larger context.
    Ugh... Don't know if I feel up to saying any more on this - at least for now. :P
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    by DrinkMoxie » Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:59 am

    Not all art is good, some things are kitsch and are only motivated by money/popularity, and have no true merit.

    I also hate that to some people "elitism" is a dirty word. Sorry if my years of devotion to something have made me a bit more knowledgeable and that I can recognize a true diamond over cubic zirconia...
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    Re: WTF Mayhem fest curise aka copying 70k

    by metalgoddess » Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:44 am

    I like all those bands, but I've seen/will see them at Mayhemfest. I wonder if they would socialize with fans like we had on 70,000 Tons??? I would hate to think there would only be "meet and greets."

    I really liked the fact that many of the 70K bands were new to me, and that they were all cool hanging out and drinking with us. :cheers:
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    Re: Rockstar Mayhem Cruise

    by rwalters » Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:50 am

    DrinkMoxie wrote:Machine Head: Put out 2 solid albums in the mid 90s, then went numetal and started dressing like powerman 5000 with the 3rd release to capitalize on a trend. It was an insult to their fans, and most fans smartly turned their backs on them. Sadly, some people have gone soft and apologist about Machine Head with their return to heavier material, and don't even realize how insincere it is. Machine doesn't deserve the respect of metalheads.


    I can buy and respect that. I guess the difference for me is that I consider the first two albums to be phenomenal (not solid) and I absolutely went soft and apologist about Machine Head. Hell, I've done that with alot of bands. Paradise Lost included :)

    DrinkMoxie wrote:Lamb Of God: I liked Burn The Priest, and got to be at their 1st show as Lamb Of God. Their 1st 2 cds were quite solid and definitely came out at the right time. With their 3rd cd it just seemed like they went, "Oh, hey, we've found a formula and we don't have to try anymore. We can even simplify our music to get more mass appeal, and we don't care that the people who will notice will stop liking us, because we'll be raking in money from all the people who only hear our noise." Frankly, their egos got huge, their music got simpler, and their fan base shifted to the mall. I've listened to all of their cds, and everything after "As The Palaces Burn" is just boring and their legacy has soured my former joy of their first 2 cds and the Burn The Priest cd...


    I got into them via New American Gospel so I'm not quite as early as you are. I can understand you not liking the slight shift on Ashes of the Wake but I think that album is perfect. I think that album shows bands how to keep their oldschool fans while adding on a bunch of new fans and making everyone happy. It's not as OMG brutal, but those are great songs on there. Lamb of God are a shadow of what they once were, but they were one the best things to come out of the U.S. in the 2000s and I would MUCH rather have a band like Lamb of God in the mainstream than a band like Korn like in the late 90's. Lamb of God replaced Pantera essentially.

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    Regardless of if you like the Mayhem Cruise or not, this hurts Barge sales and band pool. Barge isn't selling out without some names. I don't think 70K would have sold out without Nightwish.
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