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    The 70k Curse!

    by cowboy71 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:38 pm

    See the "70k Curse" has struck again. Two members of Equilibrium just left the band. Think there has been something similar on every 70k! Khan leaving Kamelot before 2012, Angra using Fabio in 2013, Yossi leaving Orphaned Land before 2014, Arch Enemy and Equillibrium now for 2015.

    I know there are others too - and I know it happens all the time in music but it seems to happen a lot for 70k considering the relatively small number of bands on the bill.

    What others have there been?

    Barge To Hell - Nachtmystium broke up just after
    2011 - Barlow left Iced Earth just AFTER 70k
    2012 - God Dethroned play last ever show, Dark Funeral had new vocalist, Mark from Riot passes away, Frank Mullen and Mike Smith quit Suffocation just after, No Khan in Kamelot
    2013 - No permanent lead singer for Angra
    2014 - Yossi left Orphaned Land, Dark Tranquillity without bassist
    2015 - Angela leaves Arch Enemy, Andi and Sandra leave Equillibrium
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    Re: The 70k Curse!

    by Malaka » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:52 pm

    Nevermore and God Dethroned played their last shows on the Majesty.
    Mark Reale died while Riot was onbroad.
    And Yossi left Orphaned Land, not Kobi.
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    Re: The 70k Curse!

    by cowboy71 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:53 pm

    Malaka wrote:Nevermore and God Dethroned played their last shows on the Majesty.
    Mark Reale died while Riot was onbroad.
    And Yossi left Orphaned Land, not Kobi.

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    Re: The 70k Curse!

    by Malaka » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:55 pm

    Oh, Frank Mullen and Mike Smith quit Suffocation after 2012.
    Nachtmystium broke up after Barge.
    Dark Funeral had a new vocalist in 2012, and were announced as Emperor Magus Caligula quit.
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    Re: The 70k Curse!

    by Stained Class » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:07 pm

    Malaka wrote:Nevermore and God Dethroned played their last shows on the Majesty.

    Actually Nevermore got half way through a European tour after. They actually played 21 shows after 70k according to setlist.fm.
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    Re: The 70k Curse!

    by cowboy71 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:08 pm

    Stained Class wrote:
    Malaka wrote:Nevermore and God Dethroned played their last shows on the Majesty.

    Actually Nevermore got half way through a European tour after. They actually played 21 shows after 70k according to setlist.fm.

    Okay - don't think that's curse-worthy :P Anette got kicked out of Nightwish after 70k 2012 as well but again they played quite a few shows before that happened so not counting that one either.
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    Re: The 70k Curse!

    by Malaka » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:13 pm

    Forbidden has disbanded.
    Paul left Swashbuckle around 2011-2012.
    Annete quit Nightwish... or got fired.
    Steve from Gotthard died right before the 2013 cruise.
    Claudio from Lacuna Coil died last year.
    Sacred Reich says they won't tour anymore.
    Torbjorn from Keep of Kalessin quit in late 2013.
    Fill in drummers were used for Keep of Kalessin & Satyricon in 2014.
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    Re: The 70k Curse!

    by Malaka » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:15 pm

    Stained Class wrote:
    Malaka wrote:Nevermore and God Dethroned played their last shows on the Majesty.

    Actually Nevermore got half way through a European tour after. They actually played 21 shows after 70k according to setlist.fm.


    Wow! I did not know that! Let's blame Europe for that one then. :lol:
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    Re: The 70k Curse!

    by cowboy71 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:15 pm

    Malaka wrote:Forbidden has disbanded.
    Paul left Swashbuckle around 2011-2012.
    Annete quit Nightwish... or got fired.
    Steve from Gotthard died right before the 2013 cruise.
    Claudio from Lacuna Coil died last year.
    Sacred Reich says they won't tour anymore.
    Torbjorn from Keep of Kalessin quit in late 2013.
    Fill in drummers were used for Keep of Kalessin & Satyricon in 2014.
    Nobody has heard a thing from half the bands on Barge, since Barge.

    I am an ocean of negativity. :razz:

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    Re: The 70k Curse!

    by Laura » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:37 pm

    I don't know if this constitutes a proper "curse" or not :P ...because I don't know the full story/situation/circumstance around this....but wasn't the (regular) lead singer of Unleashed not present on 70K 2011? Before them being announced for 70K, I was hitherto unfamiliar with them, but upon buying As Yggdrasil Trembles (which I love btw), I really got into the band and enjoyed their Chorus Line gig. (haha, at least what I can recall considering it was one of those wee hour gigs :trashdrink: :shred: :lol: )
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    by Laura » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:38 pm

    Malaka wrote:Forbidden has disbanded.
    Paul left Swashbuckle around 2011-2012.
    Annete quit Nightwish... or got fired.
    Steve from Gotthard died right before the 2013 cruise.
    Claudio from Lacuna Coil died last year.
    Sacred Reich says they won't tour anymore.
    Torbjorn from Keep of Kalessin quit in late 2013.
    Fill in drummers were used for Keep of Kalessin & Satyricon in 2014.
    Nobody has heard a thing from half the bands on Barge, since Barge.

    I am an ocean of negativity. :razz:


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    by onenight » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:39 pm

    Malaka wrote:Forbidden has disbanded.
    Paul left Swashbuckle around 2011-2012.
    Annete quit Nightwish... or got fired.
    Steve from Gotthard died right before the 2013 cruise.
    Claudio from Lacuna Coil died last year.
    Sacred Reich says they won't tour anymore.
    Torbjorn from Keep of Kalessin quit in late 2013.
    Fill in drummers were used for Keep of Kalessin & Satyricon in 2014.
    Nobody has heard a thing from half the bands on Barge, since Barge.

    I am an ocean of negativity. :razz:


    Actually, Steve from Gotthard died in 2010, 3 years before the cruise.
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    Re: The 70k Curse!

    by alex_canada » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:56 pm

    Malaka wrote:Nobody has heard a thing from half the bands on Barge, since Barge.

    I am an ocean of negativity. :razz:


    I hadn't heard a thing from half the bands on Barge, before Barge...
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    by Razor Ramon » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:30 pm

    Annete getting fired from Nightwish was awesome and Claudio hasn't been in Lacuna Coil since 1998.
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    Re: The 70k Curse!

    by Goddess of Metal » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:53 pm

    Khan quit Kamelot right before ProgPower USA in Sept. 2010.

    Singer Steve Lee (Gotthard) died in a motorcycle accident in October, 2010.

    Many festivals/tours have had issues with visas, members leaving, and bands canceling. Just part of the music business.

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    Re: The 70k Curse!

    by ANTIKRISS » Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:07 pm

    Malaka wrote:Annete quit Nightwish... or got fired.


    It's more a benediction than a curse in my opinion.
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    by DrinkMoxie » Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:40 am

    God Dethroned actually extended their career to play 70k, since their last show had been scheduled to be a couple months prior... so that's a 70k blessing, if you ask me.

    Anacrusis called it quits after the cruise, right?
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    Re: The 70k Curse!

    by Stained Class » Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:20 am

    DrinkMoxie wrote:
    Anacrusis called it quits after the cruise, right?

    They had already more or less called it quits I think, they just decided to do 70k when they got offered anyways.
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    by doomguy » Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:50 pm

    Candlemass firing singer Robert Lowe not long after the cruise. I think 70k was his final gig with the band? Had mostly to do with "quality of live performances" being unprofessional, and not being able to learn the lyrics. Apparently the fans singing along knew the lyrics to the classics better than he did.
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    Re: The 70k Curse!

    by Jotunheimr » Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:15 pm

    Joris left Heidevolk and Kari left Tyr after the 2013 cruise. And bummer about Anette, she was the best thing to have ever happened to Nightwish.
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    Re: The 70k Curse!

    by Stained Class » Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:20 pm

    Jotunheimr wrote: And bummer about Anette, she was the best thing to have ever happened to Nightwish.

    Said less than 1% of Nightwish fans :lol:
    I liked Anette, but most people hated her it seems!
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    Re: The 70k Curse!

    by doomguy » Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:42 pm

    Stained Class wrote:
    Jotunheimr wrote: And bummer about Anette, she was the best thing to have ever happened to Nightwish.

    Said less than 1% of Nightwish fans :lol:
    I liked Anette, but most people hated her it seems!

    I liked Anette too, more than Tarja. Obviously Tarja is an amazing singer, but she was a bit too much for me, too much cheese. Not just the vocals but the on-stage performance too, that was hard to watch.

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    by magicgrl111 » Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:48 pm

    I think the intensity of playing on a 70k cruise makes people think about their lives in a new way. I'm not surprised it has an effect on band dynamics. Also, if you were already planning to end playing with a band, I can't think of a better way to go out!
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    Re: The 70k Curse!

    by rockhound » Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:19 pm

    Conrad wrote:
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    Jotunheimr wrote: And bummer about Anette, she was the best thing to have ever happened to Nightwish.

    Said less than 1% of Nightwish fans :lol:
    I liked Anette, but most people hated her it seems!

    I liked Anette too, more than Tarja. Obviously Tarja is an amazing singer, but she was a bit too much for me, too much cheese. Not just the vocals but the on-stage performance too, that was hard to watch.

    Floor is the best thing that has happened to Nightwish.


    Although Tarja is as amazing singer, I liked more Anette in Nightwish too. Imaginaerum is my favourite CD of the band. Of course I love Tarja (I already have tickets for her show in September in Buenos Aires). I saw Nighwish with Floor here in december 2012 and in the songs of Imaginaerum I still prefer Anette.
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    Re: The 70k Curse!

    by broegaard » Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:20 pm

    Goddess of Metal wrote:Khan quit Kamelot right before ProgPower USA in Sept. 2010.

    Singer Steve Lee (Gotthard) died in a motorcycle accident in October, 2010.

    Many festivals/tours have had issues with visas, members leaving, and bands canceling. Just part of the music business.

    A curse. :lol:



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    by broegaard » Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:26 pm

    bring Helker with you next year
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    by TOM CRUISE » Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:27 pm

    Didnt something happen with Unleashed too, Johnny did not make it ? Frost from Satyricon denied visa, had to have the drummer for Soilwork step behind drum kit.
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    Oh yea, Hypocrisy. Don't need to go into detail there lol
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    by Razor Ramon » Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:17 pm

    Conrad wrote:Floor is the best thing that has happened to Nightwish.


    Exactly.
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    by DJ Old Man Stares » Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:38 pm

    Stained Class wrote:
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    Anacrusis called it quits after the cruise, right?

    They had already more or less called it quits I think, they just decided to do 70k when they got offered anyways.


    70k was pretty much the first and last show Anacrusis played in a long time. The fact they were on was a miracle in itself. I feel very lucky to have seen them on 70k 2013.
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    by DJ Old Man Stares » Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:39 pm

    TOM CRUISE wrote:Didnt something happen with Unleashed too, Johnny did not make it ? Frost from Satyricon denied visa, had to have the drummer for Soilwork step behind drum kit.


    Frost has been denied visas several times before 70k 2014.
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    by doomguy » Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:12 pm

    DJ Old Man Stares wrote:
    TOM CRUISE wrote:Didnt something happen with Unleashed too, Johnny did not make it ? Frost from Satyricon denied visa, had to have the drummer for Soilwork step behind drum kit.


    Frost has been denied visas several times before 70k 2014.

    Yeah I remember about 10 years ago they toured the US and had to have Joey Jordison from Slipknot fill in for Frost
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    TOM CRUISE wrote:Didnt something happen with Unleashed too, Johnny did not make it ? Frost from Satyricon denied visa, had to have the drummer for Soilwork step behind drum kit.


    If I remember correctly Johnny had a newborn and you can't bring infants under the age of 6 months on the cruise.
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    by DJ Old Man Stares » Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:32 am

    Conrad wrote:
    DJ Old Man Stares wrote:
    TOM CRUISE wrote:Didnt something happen with Unleashed too, Johnny did not make it ? Frost from Satyricon denied visa, had to have the drummer for Soilwork step behind drum kit.


    Frost has been denied visas several times before 70k 2014.

    Yeah I remember about 10 years ago they toured the US and had to have Joey Jordison from Slipknot fill in for Frost


    I remember in 2004 when Satyricon was touring with Morbid Angel and Suffocation, that Frost couldn't make it in and no other than Trym filled in. Don't remember anybody from Slipknot ever filling in.
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    by doomguy » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:19 am

    DJ Old Man Stares wrote:
    Conrad wrote:
    DJ Old Man Stares wrote:
    Frost has been denied visas several times before 70k 2014.

    Yeah I remember about 10 years ago they toured the US and had to have Joey Jordison from Slipknot fill in for Frost


    I remember in 2004 when Satyricon was touring with Morbid Angel and Suffocation, that Frost couldn't make it in and no other than Trym filled in. Don't remember anybody from Slipknot ever filling in.

    They toured the US twice in 2004, the end of that year with Joey Jordison on drums.
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    by ShoreSlayer » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:11 pm

    Kory Clarke performed on the cruise with the mighty TROUBLE and, for many in attendance, it was to be their first look at this apparent mismatch.

    The band was great but Kory, indeed, did not fit so it was an odd experience.

    Thankfully, they parted ways not long afterward and they recorded an amazing album with Kyle Thomas.

    So although their gigs had a bit of the curse element to them, it was a blessing in the end :death:

    Can't wait for their return to the world of 70K :shred:

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    by carlynjason » Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:37 am

    Razor Ramon wrote:
    Conrad wrote:Floor is the best thing that has happened to Nightwish.


    Exactly.



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    by Metaladdict187 » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:22 pm

    His name escapes me, but Crowbars bass player left in late 2012.
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    Metaladdict187 wrote:His name escapes me, but Crowbars bass player left in late 2012.


    Pat Bruders. He left to concentrate on Down.
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    Re: The 70k Curse!

    by Stained Class » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:19 am

    Sgt. B wrote:
    Metaladdict187 wrote:His name escapes me, but Crowbars bass player left in late 2012.


    Pat Bruders. He left to concentrate on Down.

    Yeah that was at the same time Kirk left Down to focus on Crowbar right?
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