Sgt. B wrote:mooyagi wrote:Allegaeon will get my vote once the poll comes up. That pyramid lounge set was one hell of a party.
This.
I loved both Avatarium shows, but the Allegaeon show in the Pyramid lounge was awesome.
cowboy71 wrote:Last year, the Cripper Nominees were limited to those bands with under 10,000 listeners on last.fm (of which, there were 11). This year if we used that methodology we would only have 5 contenders - Striker, Witchtrap, Ghost Ship Octavius, Total Death and Touch the Sun.
I would therefore propose setting the 2017 cutoff at 30,000 as this would give us 11 contenders - same as 2016:
29151 DALRIADA
28033 CRYPTEX
27800 ORDEN OGAN
25916 ALLEGAEON
17025 AVATARIUM
14028 MISERY LOVES CO
9090 STRIKER
4869 WITCHTRAP
2185 GHOST SHIP OCTAVIUS
512 TOTAL DEATH
29 TOUCH THE SUN
Monmisreal wrote:Sgt. B wrote:mooyagi wrote:Allegaeon will get my vote once the poll comes up. That pyramid lounge set was one hell of a party.
This.
I loved both Avatarium shows, but the Allegaeon show in the Pyramid lounge was awesome.
Yep. The pyramid show made me feel kind of bad for not sticking around for the pool deck set but I couldn't make it that long. What time did that set even start?
cowboy71 wrote:Last year, the Cripper Nominees were limited to those bands with under 10,000 listeners on last.fm (of which, there were 11). This year if we used that methodology we would only have 5 contenders - Striker, Witchtrap, Ghost Ship Octavius, Total Death and Touch the Sun.
I would therefore propose setting the 2017 cutoff at 30,000 as this would give us 11 contenders - same as 2016:
29151 DALRIADA
28033 CRYPTEX
27800 ORDEN OGAN
25916 ALLEGAEON
17025 AVATARIUM
14028 MISERY LOVES CO
9090 STRIKER
4869 WITCHTRAP
2185 GHOST SHIP OCTAVIUS
512 TOTAL DEATH
29 TOUCH THE SUN
klons wrote:Still don't think either Allegaeon or Avatarium belong in this.
mooyagi wrote:As Powerglove so eloquently put it, at Fuck You O'clock
Phoenix wrote:klons wrote:Still don't think either Allegaeon or Avatarium belong in this.
Well this is discussion based, can you articulate why you don't think so?
klons wrote:Phoenix wrote:klons wrote:Still don't think either Allegaeon or Avatarium belong in this.
Well this is discussion based, can you articulate why you don't think so?
You would![]()
Taking Avatarium as a whole into consideration, you're looking at current/ex members of bands such as Candlemass, Tiamat, Pain and Evergrey. No hope in hell does anything there come close to what this award is meant for. If that were the case, as an example, say Me and That Man (3742 last.fm listeners) were abroad - does anybody in their right mind think Nergal should be eligible to win? I sure don't.
Take them out, then look at the gap between all the lower bands and Allegaeon, almost 12k listeners between them and Misery Loves Co. Allegaeon alone has more listeners than the combined remaining bands.
Danny24601 wrote:
As far as I am aware, Nevermore is not nearly as big or influential as Candlemass, and Avatarium is essentially a side project for the main songwriter from Candlemass (Leif writes all of the music for Avatarium as well). It may also be worth considering that Avatarium is a star's side project AND is really close to the last.fm cutoff, which together may make them less eligible than GSO, who may arguably be something of a side project but are much further from the numerical cutoffs.
cowboy71 wrote:Last year, the Cripper Nominees were limited to those bands with under 10,000 listeners on last.fm (of which, there were 11). This year if we used that methodology we would only have 5 contenders - Striker, Witchtrap, Ghost Ship Octavius, Total Death and Touch the Sun.
I would therefore propose setting the 2017 cutoff at 30,000 as this would give us 11 contenders - same as 2016:
29151 DALRIADA
28033 CRYPTEX
27800 ORDEN OGAN
25916 ALLEGAEON
17025 AVATARIUM
14028 MISERY LOVES CO
9090 STRIKER
4869 WITCHTRAP
2185 GHOST SHIP OCTAVIUS
512 TOTAL DEATH
29 TOUCH THE SUN
bodomdragon wrote:I think both options would make sense, but I would certainly NOT increase the fan limit to 30k, that sounds way too much.
slayergeek wrote:bodomdragon wrote:I think both options would make sense, but I would certainly NOT increase the fan limit to 30k, that sounds way too much.
As much as I would LOVE to vote for Allegaeon, I have to agree with Bodomdragon. I own 3 of thier albums before they were announced. So Andy booked more well known bands this year, that doesn't mean we need to increase the cut off for cripper nominees. Save that honor for the true 'Who the fuck is that' bands
mooyagi wrote:I'm surprised Dalriada is so unknown. I thought they were a lot more popular. I'm just curious why some are arguing, "I've heard of them so they can't be nominated." Hell, Nightmare won the award and they were formed over 20 years before their first cruise.
Jaimie38 wrote:STRIKER!!!!![]()
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Godflesh wrote:People keep forgetting NIGHTMARE!
Memnoch wrote:The whole idea of the award is to award unknown bands, and even I who don't really like most genres of metal have heard of most of these bands before. IMO basing the contenders solely on the last.fm listeners isn't wise. It should be a combination of last.fm and facebook likes.
29151 DALRIADA - 35k
28033 CRYPTEX - 7k
27800 ORDEN OGAN - 53k
25916 ALLEGAEON - 111k
17025 AVATARIUM - 18k
14028 MISERY LOVES CO - 2k
9090 STRIKER - 91k
4869 WITCHTRAP - 23k
2185 GHOST SHIP OCTAVIUS - 7k
512 TOTAL DEATH - 9k
29 TOUCH THE SUN - 400
Dalriada, Orden Ogan, Allegaeon and maybe Avatarium are clearly too big to run. I'd take Striker and Witchtrap out as well, but include Cryptex.
Stained Class wrote: I dont feel like arguing about it though since last year there was a massive bitch fest about it and it took the fun out of it and the whole point of this is to be a fun thing that means next to nothing.
Stained Class wrote:Memnoch wrote:IMO basing the contenders solely on the last.fm listeners isn't wise. It should be a combination of last.fm and facebook likes.
29151 DALRIADA - 35k
28033 CRYPTEX - 7k
27800 ORDEN OGAN - 53k
25916 ALLEGAEON - 111k
17025 AVATARIUM - 18k
14028 MISERY LOVES CO - 2k
9090 STRIKER - 91k
4869 WITCHTRAP - 23k
2185 GHOST SHIP OCTAVIUS - 7k
512 TOTAL DEATH - 9k
29 TOUCH THE SUN - 400
Last.fm listens is the only way to objectively judge a band's popularity as facebook likes can be bought and you can be a hugely popular band without even having a facebook page.
Memnoch wrote:And shouldn't Trauma be a contender? They (the band that was onbroad) have a total of 582 listeners for their two albums on last.fm.
Also, Cryptex only has about 1800 listeners for their two albums. There's a more popular Cryptex it seems that's not the band we had.
Monmisreal wrote:Sgt. B wrote:mooyagi wrote:Allegaeon will get my vote once the poll comes up. That pyramid lounge set was one hell of a party.
This.
I loved both Avatarium shows, but the Allegaeon show in the Pyramid lounge was awesome.
Yep. The pyramid show made me feel kind of bad for not sticking around for the pool deck set but I couldn't make it that long. What time did that set even start?
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