bodomdragon wrote:This is a major mistake from Andy & co.
Mal2000 wrote:bodomdragon wrote:This is a major mistake from Andy & co.
Agree but we all know by now that Andy does not care what we think.
doomguy wrote:Mal2000 wrote:bodomdragon wrote:This is a major mistake from Andy & co.
Agree but we all know by now that Andy does not care what we think.
Maybe he got fed up with people hassling him and spamming his inbox about it so didn't book them out of spite.
DrinkMoxie wrote:I might be at all 4 of those shows, but will definitely be at 2 of them... real sets, the band will actually make money, and I don't have to deal with cof & bb and the people they'd draw out... I'm happy
Pellaz wrote:doomguy wrote:Maybe he got fed up with people hassling him and spamming his inbox about it so didn't book them out of spite.
THAT is a very real possibility.
A band was once un-invited to our SF/fantasy convention here in ATL (DragonCon) for exactly that reason: their fans were spamming the convention office with phone calls and emails.
bodomdragon wrote:Pellaz wrote:doomguy wrote:Maybe he got fed up with people hassling him and spamming his inbox about it so didn't book them out of spite.
THAT is a very real possibility.
A band was once un-invited to our SF/fantasy convention here in ATL (DragonCon) for exactly that reason: their fans were spamming the convention office with phone calls and emails.
I want to think that's not the reason. I really want to think we have a serious, mature, responsible organizer, ready to take some criticism and demands with dignity and empathy. Call me a dreamer :)
doomguy wrote:They said on Facebook they loose money for every night they don't play, so they didn't want to take a 5 day vacation. Perhaps they weren't going to be paid for the cruise, so they declined in favour of a few headline gigs?
doomguy wrote:They said on Facebook they loose money for every night they don't play, so they didn't want to take a 5 day vacation. Perhaps they weren't going to be paid for the cruise, so they declined in favour of a few headline gigs?
Stained Class wrote:doomguy wrote:They said on Facebook they loose money for every night they don't play, so they didn't want to take a 5 day vacation. Perhaps they weren't going to be paid for the cruise, so they declined in favour of a few headline gigs?
This is a good point, and totally understandable from both sides. Come on guys Andy didn't not book them to spite everyone that requested them to be on, that's a fucking thought. Do you think a 14 year old is running this operation?
Stained Class wrote:doomguy wrote:They said on Facebook they loose money for every night they don't play, so they didn't want to take a 5 day vacation. Perhaps they weren't going to be paid for the cruise, so they declined in favour of a few headline gigs?
This is a good point, and totally understandable from both sides. Come on guys Andy didn't not book them to spite everyone that requested them to be on, that's a fucking thought. Do you think a 14 year old is running this operation?
They'd still be making money at those shows, they wouldn't be making any money on the cruise. They aren't really a big enough band to get paid to do the cruise. So they wouldn't be losing money but they wouldn't be gaining any either. Financially I can absolutely see how it would make more sense to be on the road.cowboy71 wrote:Stained Class wrote:doomguy wrote:They said on Facebook they loose money for every night they don't play, so they didn't want to take a 5 day vacation. Perhaps they weren't going to be paid for the cruise, so they declined in favour of a few headline gigs?
This is a good point, and totally understandable from both sides. Come on guys Andy didn't not book them to spite everyone that requested them to be on, that's a fucking thought. Do you think a 14 year old is running this operation?
I also think its a bit narrow a viewpoint of theirs.
They loose money every night they don't play. Why? Probably because they still have to pay for accommodation, food, drinks, etc. Well guess what? Don't have to pay for any of that if you're on the cruise!
This is just COMPLETE HEARSAY on my part, but I have heard that the lead guy from NeO is a bit of a prima donna too, so combining that with my comment above - I would not be laying all the blame on Andy for this one.
I really cannot see how driving all over the US for a week to do four shows, at about $10 a head is going to be much better for them financially.....
doomguy wrote: They said on Facebook they loose money for every night they don't play, so they didn't want to take a 5 day vacation. Perhaps they weren't going to be paid for the cruise, so they declined in favour of a few headline gigs?
doomguy wrote:You're right, maybe DragonCon is run by 14 year olds.
Mal2000 wrote:Nope.
They have been waiting to book shows during 70k until last minute. Wanted to be invited to play on a cruise.
No payment asked. And no, Tim is NOT a prima donna, as someone suggested. And yes, they loose even when they play every night, since they are not headliners and not yet a lockup band. This is a reason they do tours, to get better visibility.
All in all - don't spread rumors that NeO is greedy if you don't know anything. Try to talk to guys after their show.
Pellaz wrote:I was thinking of wearing my 70K shirt to the show on Feb. 1st.....but now I'm not so sure the NeO guys will want to see one.
I definitely want to talk to 'em after their performance. I should have free time during Butcher Babies' set.
Mal2000 wrote:doomguy wrote: They said on Facebook they loose money for every night they don't play, so they didn't want to take a 5 day vacation. Perhaps they weren't going to be paid for the cruise, so they declined in favour of a few headline gigs?
Nope.
They have been waiting to book shows during 70k until last minute. Wanted to be invited to play on a cruise.
No payment asked. And no, Tim is NOT a prima donna, as someone suggested. And yes, they loose even when they play every night, since they are not headliners and not yet a lockup band. This is a reason they do tours, to get better visibility.
All in all - don't spread rumors that NeO is greedy if you don't know anything. Try to talk to guys after their show.
doomguy wrote:One month out is hardly "last minute".
bodomdragon wrote:doomguy wrote:One month out is hardly "last minute".
Well, I beg to differ. It might not be "last minute" as per UMC standards, but else than that it's certainly last minute when it comes to arranging a show, and even more when it is not in your hometown. Bands plan their tours with several months in advance.
doomguy wrote:
Rubbish.
Jotunheimr wrote:Pellaz wrote:I was thinking of wearing my 70K shirt to the show on Feb. 1st.....but now I'm not so sure the NeO guys will want to see one.
I definitely want to talk to 'em after their performance. I should have free time during Butcher Babies' set.
NeO is playing different cities than BB during the cruise. Good news for NeO fans, longer sets and no Butcher Babies!
DrinkMoxie wrote:Jotunheimr wrote:Pellaz wrote:I was thinking of wearing my 70K shirt to the show on Feb. 1st.....but now I'm not so sure the NeO guys will want to see one.
I definitely want to talk to 'em after their performance. I should have free time during Butcher Babies' set.
NeO is playing different cities than BB during the cruise. Good news for NeO fans, longer sets and no Butcher Babies!
I know, I'm SO happy... I get to see 3 NeO headline gigs (90 minute sets) without having to deal with CoF or bb or their fanbases... win win win for me... plus, these are the only shows where they're likely to actually make any money while in the U.S.
Jotunheimr wrote:DrinkMoxie wrote:Jotunheimr wrote:NeO is playing different cities than BB during the cruise. Good news for NeO fans, longer sets and no Butcher Babies!
I know, I'm SO happy... I get to see 3 NeO headline gigs (90 minute sets) without having to deal with CoF or bb or their fanbases... win win win for me... plus, these are the only shows where they're likely to actually make any money while in the U.S.
Throw your money at those merch stands, they deserve it!
Pellaz wrote:Not a problem here in Atlanta. They had the longest merch line of all three bands BY FAR. I waited 30 minutes in line to get my merch...and from what I saw, they're making VERY respectable merch sales. Some fans who saw them in Asheville (I think) said the same thing had happened there, too. (Note: they can only accept cash, not credit cards...at least so far. I saw a few really disappointed people there.)
capacitator51 wrote:Pellaz wrote:Not a problem here in Atlanta. They had the longest merch line of all three bands BY FAR. I waited 30 minutes in line to get my merch...and from what I saw, they're making VERY respectable merch sales. Some fans who saw them in Asheville (I think) said the same thing had happened there, too. (Note: they can only accept cash, not credit cards...at least so far. I saw a few really disappointed people there.)
Were you the guy wearing the 70K shirt?!
bodomdragon wrote:I have no intention of beating a dead horse, but I got some interesting info from a very realiable source. NeO offered themselves to play FOR FREE on the boat, but their offer was rejected for some reason we will probably never understand. Anyway, I'm glad to hear their headlining shows were awesome!
bodomdragon wrote:I have no intention of beating a dead horse, but I got some interesting info from a very realiable source. NeO offered themselves to play FOR FREE on the boat, but their offer was rejected for some reason we will probably never understand.
Jotunheimr wrote:If we get more Aussie bands, it will a lucky coincidence as it's really expensive for them to fly here. My understanding is that Claim The Throne were asked to play the 2015 cruise only because they happened to be in the right place at the right time, and Andy took advantage.
Jotunheimr wrote:If we get more Aussie bands, it will a lucky coincidence as it's really expensive for them to fly here. My understanding is that Claim The Throne were asked to play the 2015 cruise only because they happened to be in the right place at the right time, and Andy took advantage.
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