The Official 70000TONS OF METAL 2017 Megathread - Page 28

by **Godflesh** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 12:11 am

Yes, I'm betting on Cannibal Corpse as another return, which would be great.
I'm guessing there's an economy of scale when several bands share the same tour promoter/manager/record label/PR or whatever...
Honestly, for the 60 bands we get, the ticket price of $366 or something seems insanely low.
I know they're making money on the merch and perhaps a cut of the cabin and alcohol sales, but still...

by **cowboy71** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 3:22 am

It's a pity the skipper ran out of stam1na and couldn't keep the daily announcements going

by **Masterbas** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:39 am

cowboy71 wrote:It's a pity the skipper ran out of stam1na and couldn't keep the daily announcements going

I'm sure they already have more bands lined up, but they are holding on to them to create a bigger bang in a few days/weeks to re-spark interest. Or grab more new comers (like me).

by **Downvod** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:45 am

Have they ever gone almost a full month like this between presales and public on sale? Why are they making it so hard for people to pay them? lol

by **mbob** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:53 am

As the years go on more and more cruisers are becoming gold and silver survivors which means more are buying pre-sale cabins. It appears that the cruise is selling very well which means more work for them. I am wondering if they are taking a break before public sales begins so they can catch their breath.

Downvod wrote:Have they ever gone almost a full month like this between presales and public on sale? Why are they making it so hard for people to pay them? lol

by **Pellaz** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:46 am

Ov corpse we're getting a longer delay between bands! The Skipper is testing our....wait for it......Stam1na!

Godflesh wrote:Yes, I'm betting on Cannibal Corpse as another return, which would be great.

Hope so, too. They're my cabin-mate Rafael's favorite band from 2015.

Honestly, for the 60 bands we get, the ticket price of $366 or something seems insanely low.
I know they're making money on the merch and perhaps a cut of the cabin and alcohol sales, but still...

by **UltimoAviso** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:07 am

cowboy71 wrote:It's a pity the skipper ran out of stam1na and couldn't keep the daily announcements going

beat me to the pun!

by **DrKatieKaboom** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 12:51 pm

Have to admit, I feel like this is my fault...I've been obsessively stalking announcements since this is the first year I'll be able to go. I didn't look for awhile and we started getting announcements. Now I'm looking and...Sorry, everyone.

by **capacitator51** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:16 pm

DrKatieKaboom wrote:Have to admit, I feel like this is my fault...I've been obsessively stalking announcements since this is the first year I'll be able to go. I didn't look for awhile and we started getting announcements. Now I'm looking and...Sorry, everyone.

That should merit a perma-ban, if you ask me.

by **DragonLordJones** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:39 pm

well to have almost half the bands in July already is huge on Andy's part ........ if he kept going at that rate we'd have all the bands in another month and have to wait 6 months with nothing but the cruise to look forward to. I hope there isn't big lolls in announcements, 1 or so a week is fine from here on for me

Andy has done a great job so far - some goofy band choices, but I have never been able to see all the bands anyway so who cares?

Hardest part is waiting to get on the boat anyway 7years running + Barge and have enjoyed everyone; THANK YOU UMC

by **Godflesh** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:01 pm

DragonLordJones wrote:I hope there isn't big lolls in announcements

Dude...

by **cowboy71** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:32 pm

Stuck Mojo was the biggest lol of an announcement so far.

by **macamatic** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 3:37 am

DragonLordJones wrote:well to have almost half the bands in July already is huge on Andy's part ........ if he kept going at that rate we'd have all the bands in another month and have to wait 6 months with nothing but the cruise to look forward to.

You mean we'd have the whole lineup with a full six months left, allowing people to make a more informed decision about whether they want to go? Yeah, that'd be awful.

You know, most music festivals don't do this. MDF announces its entire lineup like a year in advance. I think you have a mild form of Stockholm Syndrome or something - UMC has made you believe that the band announcements are "part of the experience..."

by **Downvod** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:20 am

macamatic wrote:
DragonLordJones wrote:well to have almost half the bands in July already is huge on Andy's part ........ if he kept going at that rate we'd have all the bands in another month and have to wait 6 months with nothing but the cruise to look forward to.

You mean we'd have the whole lineup with a full six months left, allowing people to make a more informed decision about whether they want to go? Yeah, that'd be awful.

You know, most music festivals don't do this. MDF announces its entire lineup like a year in advance. I think you have a mild form of Stockholm Syndrome or something - UMC has made you believe that the band announcements are "part of the experience..."

I think he means that it's huge compared to previous years, not compared to other festivals. Everyone knows that it is going to be like this every year with the announcements, so at least one can make an informed decision to not take part if they don't like waiting for announcements. From a marketing standpoint, no one can deny that it's genius. With them making sporadic announcements that demand attention throughout the year, it keeps all of the 'sailors' actively engaged and interacting throughout the year.... just sayin...

by **Jotunheimr** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:32 pm

macamatic wrote:UMC has made you believe that the band announcements are "part of the experience..."

And they're absolutely right. If you don't like it, don't go.

by **Razor Ramon** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 2:55 pm

Jotunheimr wrote:
macamatic wrote:UMC has made you believe that the band announcements are "part of the experience..."

And they're absolutely right. If you don't like it, don't go.

Are there people who like it? I hate it, it's like I'm gambling. Still going though.

by **Jotunheimr** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:00 pm

Razor Ramon wrote:
Jotunheimr wrote:
macamatic wrote:UMC has made you believe that the band announcements are "part of the experience..."

And they're absolutely right. If you don't like it, don't go.

Are there people who like it? I hate it, it's like I'm gambling. Still going though.

It gives us that excitement/anticipation feeling reminiscent of childhood Christmas mornings. It also encourages speculation and forum activity, and it keeps us excited about it constantly until it happens. Imagine if he announced 60 bands all at once 9 months before the cruise. We (most of us) would probably forget about it in the midst of the drudgery of post-cruise life until they start hyping it up again in January. Spontaneous announcements are a way of keeping the excitement going year-round, and probably increasing the number of bookings in the process.

by **Downvod** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:20 pm

Razor Ramon wrote:
Jotunheimr wrote:
macamatic wrote:UMC has made you believe that the band announcements are "part of the experience..."

And they're absolutely right. If you don't like it, don't go.

Are there people who like it? I hate it, it's like I'm gambling. Still going though.

Not saying I like it in particular, but I understand why they do it. They haven't had a single lineup yet where I wouldn't have had enough bands to warrant the trip, so I don't really worry about it.

by **cowboy71** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:59 pm

Downvod wrote:They haven't had a single lineup yet where I wouldn't have had enough bands to warrant the trip, so I don't really worry about it.

I can't say that - 2015 if I had known the entire lineup before booking, I wouldn't have booked. Didn't have a single "10/10" band on the lineup for me. Still had a great time, but yeah - wouldn't have booked if I'd known.

Obviously coming from Australia the expense is exponentially more than coming from a state of the US.

The 2017 lineup so far is definitely better - a bucketlist band in the first handful of announcements always helps - but still not quite enough yet.

by **Razor Ramon** » Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:25 am

I wouldn't have gone in 2015 if I knew the line up ahead of time.

by **macamatic** » Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:18 am

Jotunheimr wrote:
macamatic wrote:UMC has made you believe that the band announcements are "part of the experience..."

And they're absolutely right. If you don't like it, don't go.

That's pretty myopic. FYI, I decided to go as soon as they announced Kamelot. But I live in Uber distance. Others, even multi-year veterans, have to weigh much higher costs against the bands announced. Forcing them to book while knowing a third if the lineup to get a room under $1000pp, then charging $100 to cancel, is crazy.

I get why they do it (though I don't get the haphazard timing). But to say that them releasing the whole lineup six months in advance would be a bad thing? Come on. It doesn't even have to be all at once. There's a huge spectrum of possibilities between "sporadically release the lineup at random times over seven months" and "release the entire lineup seven months in advance."

by **cowboy71** » Sun Jul 31, 2016 3:51 pm

Happy one week anniversary of our last announcement!!

May it NOT be the first of many

by **deathmetalpat** » Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:03 pm

Strange that they will be at Heavy Montreal next week and public sales haven't started.I guess since a lot of cabins are gone ,they could start public sales next week and still manage to have some of the staff attend this. But since they are there maybe some announments during the festival.I take Inquisition , Candlemass ,Carcass ,Nightwish and Kataklysm please.

by **Jotunheimr** » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:00 pm

macamatic wrote: There's a huge spectrum of possibilities between "sporadically release the lineup at random times over seven months" and "release the entire lineup seven months in advance."

Releasing large groups of bands every few months could mean that lesser-known bands aren't getting the attention they deserve. With bands being announced individually, everyone who's planning on going on the cruise will most likely check them out at some point. This means that the band has a chance of gaining more fans before the cruise even starts (I became of a fan of Distillator right away because of this). If bands are announced 20 or 30 at a time like they are for MDF, lesser known bands will be overlooked as people ogle Venom, Apocalyptica, and Anthrax. I hope he keeps announcing the bands individually until December or January when they start grouping them together 3 or 4 at a time.

by **sara** » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:15 pm

Godflesh wrote:Yes, I'm betting on Cannibal Corpse as another return, which would be great.

Just randomly picking your post even though others asked for it... I'm down for another run of Cannibal Corpse, but I would like to put it out there how much I would loooooove Cannabis Corpse. They bring a guy in a bud costume to throw down in the pit and make sure everyone is getting into it. Even though I don't really smoke anymore, they're a lot of fun.

by **cowboy71** » Sun Jul 31, 2016 7:00 pm

Jotunheimr wrote:With bands being announced individually, everyone who's planning on going on the cruise will most likely check them out at some point

Your point would have merit were it not for the fact that Andy has tended to add the least known bands in the last few weeks, or even days (or even HOURS lol) before the cruise. When lots of people are either already in Florida or in transit. Leaving little chance at all to check them out.

This year - last 20 bands were added in the last 30 days. 16 of those bands have less than 100,000 last.fm listeners.
Last year - last 20 bands were added in the last 14 days. 17 of those bands have less than 100,000 last.fm listeners.

Website · by **Azazel101** » Sun Jul 31, 2016 7:15 pm

deathmetalpat wrote:Strange that they will be at Heavy Montreal next week and public sales haven't started.I guess since a lot of cabins are gone ,they could start public sales next week and still manage to have some of the staff attend this. But since they are there maybe some announments during the festival.I take Inquisition , Candlemass ,Carcass ,Nightwish and Kataklysm please.

I kind of hope for Inquisition as well
I have 4 limited edition vinyl albums from them I would like signed.
2 bound in goat leather and 2 bound in cow leather
I just don't want to have to travel with them

by **Jotunheimr** » Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:08 pm

cowboy71 wrote:
Jotunheimr wrote:With bands being announced individually, everyone who's planning on going on the cruise will most likely check them out at some point

Your point would have merit were it not for the fact that Andy has tended to add the least known bands in the last few weeks, or even days (or even HOURS lol) before the cruise. When lots of people are either already in Florida or in transit. Leaving little chance at all to check them out.

In this case we definitely don't have time to buy the albums but we all have ways of accessing music the day before the cruise. We can open up Spotify or YouTube and check out music that way. Yeah, it would be nice to have all the bands a month before so we can buy the albums but there's no reason we can't at least check them out the day before.

by **Godflesh** » Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:30 pm

deathmetalpat wrote:Strange that they will be at Heavy Montreal next week and public sales haven't started.I guess since a lot of cabins are gone ,they could start public sales next week and still manage to have some of the staff attend this. But since they are there maybe some announments during the festival.I take Inquisition , Candlemass ,Carcass ,Nightwish and Kataklysm please.

Wow, so many bands I want to see in this year's HM lineup:

For now, the only band I have on my wishlist is Dying Fetus.

by **cowboy71** » Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:54 pm

Not much for me on that lineup.

Actually not true - If I lived near Montreal I'd absolutely go, to see Disturbed, Breaking Benjamin, Blind Guardian, Nightwish, Alter Bridge, Seb Bach and Sabaton.

But the only band out of all those I'd want to see on 70K would be Blind Guardian (and Sabaton but they are ruled out), and maybe Nightwish (but I've seen them live over a dozen times so I'd rather someone else).

by **Masterbas** » Mon Aug 01, 2016 6:20 am

deathmetalpat wrote:Strange that they will be at Heavy Montreal next week and public sales haven't started.I guess since a lot of cabins are gone ,they could start public sales next week and still manage to have some of the staff attend this. But since they are there maybe some announments during the festival.I take Inquisition , Candlemass ,Carcass ,Nightwish and Kataklysm please.

Talking about Kataklysm, they restarted their Ex Deo project, I'd love to get the full experience of those guys, do one show as Kataklysm and one as Ex Deo. That would kick ass for sure.

by **Masterbas** » Mon Aug 01, 2016 6:25 am

cowboy71 wrote:Not much for me on that lineup.

Actually not true - If I lived near Montreal I'd absolutely go, to see Disturbed, Breaking Benjamin, Blind Guardian, Nightwish, Alter Bridge, Seb Bach and Sabaton.

But the only band out of all those I'd want to see on 70K would be Blind Guardian (and Sabaton but they are ruled out), and maybe Nightwish (but I've seen them live over a dozen times so I'd rather someone else).

I live in Montreal and I'm absolutely going hahaha.

Blind Guardian, I saw them live last year and well see for yourself what I thought about it :) http://www.metal-temple.com/site/catalogues/entry/worldwide_live_shows/blind-guardian-grave.htm

by **macamatic** » Mon Aug 01, 2016 6:35 am

Jotunheimr wrote:
macamatic wrote: There's a huge spectrum of possibilities between "sporadically release the lineup at random times over seven months" and "release the entire lineup seven months in advance."

Releasing large groups of bands every few months could mean that lesser-known bands aren't getting the attention they deserve. With bands being announced individually, everyone who's planning on going on the cruise will most likely check them out at some point. This means that the band has a chance of gaining more fans before the cruise even starts (I became of a fan of Distillator right away because of this). If bands are announced 20 or 30 at a time like they are for MDF, lesser known bands will be overlooked as people ogle Venom, Apocalyptica, and Anthrax. I hope he keeps announcing the bands individually until December or January when they start grouping them together 3 or 4 at a time.

Again, there's a middle ground here. If he released one band a day starting on July 7th, we'd have a new band every day to look forward to and he'd be done by football season. I actually like that he announces them one at a time; I'm just not big on the whole "drop a really cryptic hint and disappear indefinitely" thing.

Maybe I'll interrogate them at Heavy MTL...

by **Masterbas** » Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:11 am

macamatic wrote:
Jotunheimr wrote:
macamatic wrote:
Maybe I'll interrogate them at Heavy MTL...

I really hope I get to book before the Heavy MTL, and be part of the gang lol

by **Metaladdict187** » Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:03 pm

So how long will the silence last?

by **TheBlackWaltz** » Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:16 pm

Stam1na

by **cowboy71** » Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:21 pm

Metaladdict187 wrote:So how long will the silence last?

Impossible to say. We'll get an announcement, when we get an announcement.

Looking at previous history though, there is no reason we wouldn't hear something this week.

We have in the previous two years got announcements around the time of Heavy Montreal.

For this year's cruise, Belphegor, Gamma Ray, Samael and Manilla Road were announced in the week leading up to Heavy MTL. And the previous year Municipal Waste was announced just before Heavy MTL 2014.

I don't think we've had announcements DURING Heavy MTL though so if we haven't had an announcement by Friday I wouldn't expect one over the weekend.

by **cowboy71** » Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:07 pm

I should stress for the newbies around here too - expect a looooooong period of silence at some point.

Every single year there has been one or more exceedingly long periods between announcements. I'm talking anywhere from 1 to 6 months.

It would not be surprising if we didn't get another band announced until November.

by **Downvod** » Mon Aug 01, 2016 6:40 pm

cowboy71 wrote:I should stress for the newbies around here too - expect a looooooong period of silence at some point.

Every single year there has been one or more exceedingly long periods between announcements. I'm talking anywhere from 1 to 6 months.

It would not be surprising if we didn't get another band announced until November.

Don't we usually have our three headliners before they go on those extended periods of silence? So far I can only see Anthrax being a 75 minute band. I have to imagine we'd get at least one more before public onsale.

by **cowboy71** » Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:20 pm

Nope not necessarily - Venom were one of the 'headliners' in 2015 and they were announced at the end of November, a full 2 months after the previous band announcement.

2014 Unearth were announced only 10 days before sailing, and they were technically one of the headliners as they got one 75 minute set (and one 60 minute set). Pure speculation on my behalf but I reckon them getting a headline set might have been a 'hook' to get them to do the cruise at short notice.

I do agree with you in that we don't have our three headliners for 2017 though.

Definitely Anthrax, maaaaybe Arch Enemy (although they only got 60 minute sets last time they played), and maaaaybe even Kamelot (again, only 60 minutes last time, but could be 'sorry about the stuff up last time! would you forgive us and do 2017 if we made you headliner?')

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