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    Re: 70000TONS OF METAL 2017 IS SOLD OUT!

    by Gratch » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:48 pm

    Thrashmania wrote:
    Gratch wrote:The first day and a half were fantastic. The last two and a half days after the Norovirus hit...not so much. Guess hand sanitizer 100 times a day just wasn't quite enough.

    Better luck next year, I suppose.

    Sanitizer pales in comparison to a ridiculous amount of soap/water hand washing. Also, pack some vitamin c/zinc pills for next year. Take them daily starting the day before initial plane travels, and a few days after boat to help cover incubation periods. Sorry you got sick!


    Thanks, will try the Vitamin C/Zinc next year. I was washing my hands a ton, but that certainly wasn't the case for everyone.

    I was amazed how many guys were coming straight from the stall and out the bathroom door without stopping to wash their hands. Fucking nasty.
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    by Downvod » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:49 pm

    Gratch wrote:The first day and a half were fantastic. The last two and a half days after the Norovirus hit...not so much. Guess hand sanitizer 100 times a day just wasn't quite enough.

    Better luck next year, I suppose.


    Norovirus? Really? It didn't spread like crazy I assume, right? Didn't seem to slow many people down.
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    Re: 70000TONS OF METAL 2017 IS SOLD OUT!

    by Gratch » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:55 pm

    Downvod wrote:
    Gratch wrote:The first day and a half were fantastic. The last two and a half days after the Norovirus hit...not so much. Guess hand sanitizer 100 times a day just wasn't quite enough.

    Better luck next year, I suppose.


    Norovirus? Really? It didn't spread like crazy I assume, right? Didn't seem to slow many people down.


    I'm assuming, based on the symptoms and how often it shows up on cruises. Could have been some sort of food poisoning, I suppose, but that typically doesn't last for 3 days.
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    Re: 70000TONS OF METAL 2017 IS SOLD OUT!

    by Phoenix » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:30 pm

    I caught a cold, but considering how little I slept that about adds up.

    Cruise was amazing. So many bands! Line up for me was perfect. Gonna be a hard sell to get me back next year, I tell you what.
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    by cowboy71 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:54 pm

    Phoenix wrote:I caught a cold, but considering how little I slept that about adds up.

    Cruise was amazing. So many bands! Line up for me was perfect. Gonna be a hard sell to get me back next year, I tell you what.

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    by Downvod » Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:10 pm

    Phoenix wrote:I caught a cold, but considering how little I slept that about adds up.

    Cruise was amazing. So many bands! Line up for me was perfect. Gonna be a hard sell to get me back next year, I tell you what.


    This indeed was the perfect lineup for me personally, but I'll be back regardless. I don't need to have like 30 must see bands like I did this year to make it worth the trip. If I only had 10 must see bands, I'd try to catch them all twice, catch some borderline bands and then just enjoy my time on the ship. This year was almost overwhelming, honestly. Andy could have saved a few for next year...
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    by spooky » Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:33 am

    ...the post cruise depression is setting in. although i slept 12 hours last night, i got up wanting to go out onto the deck and smell the sea air and have a lovely breakfast in the windjammer and get ready to see some bands. instead, i get to clean litter boxes, bird cages, and do laundry. fuck it all! :cry:
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    by Razor Ramon » Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:36 am

    The only times I washed my hands were when I took a shower and never used hand sanitizer , no norovirus here.
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    by Downvod » Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:45 am

    Anyone else really disappointed in the Theater sound? I don't remember it being that bad last year. For many of the bands, all I could hear was bass, and the lead guitar was drowned out.

    The ice rink continues to be my favorite venue.
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    by Mark » Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:50 am

    No norovirus or anything else either - Beer is all you need to stay healthy :cheers:
    I don't think there was an outbreak at all, otherwise there probably would've been some communication from RC.

    Anyway, cruise was a good one, although I have to admit I didn't see close to as many shows as I wanted to, there was just too much to do and with only two days to adjust jet lag was a bigger issue for me than it was in the years before.
    Also I'm growing a little tired of all the technical issues we keep seeing every year. I walked away from several sets because the sound was just unbearably bad.

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    by mooyagi » Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:16 pm

    Yeah, the technical issues and stage delays really put me in a bad mood the first two days. Days 3 and 4 were much better. The ice rink was excellent. Did the pool stage open up on time? I didn't make it up there until later in the afternoon.
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    by Downvod » Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:34 pm

    mooyagi wrote:Yeah, the technical issues and stage delays really put me in a bad mood the first two days. Days 3 and 4 were much better. The ice rink was excellent. Did the pool stage open up on time? I didn't make it up there until later in the afternoon.


    I believe it opened on time, but there were isssues setting up for Haggard and Amorphis later in the evening.
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    by Yippee38 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:59 pm

    I got sick yesterday on the way home. At least I started feeling initial symptoms. Today, I have a full-blown cold.

    The sound was pretty uniformly lousy in the theater. It was much better in every other venue on the ship IMO. I also thought the pool was incredibly loud. I was using my standard hearing protection the first two days. The last two days, I switched to the foam plugs and it was still plenty loud.

    On the positive side, vaping is great. The ship seemed much less smoky than it did last year (or maybe it was just the wind).
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    by General Zod » Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:08 pm

    Downvod wrote:Anyone else really disappointed in the Theater sound? I don't remember it being that bad last year. For many of the bands, all I could hear was bass, and the lead guitar was drowned out.

    The sound in the theater was almost always terrible. There were times where musicians were completely absent from the mix. Conversely, the sound in the other three venues was very strong.

    As a whole the cruise was amazing. Can't wait for next year.
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    by mbob » Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:17 pm

    Not only was the sound in the theater consistently terrible the artists were having a lot of difficulties with the monitor mix on stage. Can't tell you how many times I watched aggravated musicians trying to signal the onstage mixer. A lot of shows were delayed while they worked out sound problems. Was very disappointed in the theater this year.

    Pyramid lounge was also terrible as usual. Ended up seeing very little in there.

    Studio B was once again the best venue on the ship. Great sound and stayed pretty much on schedule.

    Pool stage sounded great but was behind schedule too much.

    I had so many shows to see that delays caused me to miss shows (or parts of shows). The delays were terrible this year.

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    Downvod wrote:Anyone else really disappointed in the Theater sound? I don't remember it being that bad last year. For many of the bands, all I could hear was bass, and the lead guitar was drowned out.

    The sound in the theater was almost always terrible. There were times where musicians were completely absent from the mix. Conversely, the sound in the other three venues was very strong.

    As a whole the cruise was amazing. Can't wait for next year.
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    by jdch28 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:46 pm

    The sound was a little disappointing on the theater, but most of the bands sounded decent enough...

    And then Angra's second set happened: some of the mics never worked, both guitars died at some point, and most of the times I heard Fabio cause I was on first row... Still a great performance from their side, but the sound was a sad story :(

    mbob wrote:Not only was the sound in the theater consistently terrible the artists were having a lot of difficulties with the monitor mix on stage. Can't tell you how many times I watched aggravated musicians trying to signal the onstage mixer.

    Downvod wrote:Anyone else really disappointed in the Theater sound? I don't remember it being that bad last year. For many of the bands, all I could hear was bass, and the lead guitar was drowned out.

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    by Sgt. B » Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:38 pm

    mbob wrote:....
    Pyramid lounge was also terrible as usual. Ended up seeing very little in there.


    The Grave, Demolition Hammer, Vreid & Allegaeon sets in the Pyramid lounge were some of the best sets I saw this year.



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    I agree. This was the best run stage yet again.
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    Re: 70000TONS OF METAL 2017 IS SOLD OUT!

    by Downvod » Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:09 pm

    General Zod wrote:
    Downvod wrote:Anyone else really disappointed in the Theater sound? I don't remember it being that bad last year. For many of the bands, all I could hear was bass, and the lead guitar was drowned out.

    The sound in the theater was almost always terrible.


    Was this the case last year, though? I guess I didn't spend quite as much time in the Theater in 2016, but aside from maybe Fallujah I didn't recall the sound being real bad.
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    by deathmetalpat » Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:41 pm

    The pool stage didn't open on time ,I walked by at 10:30 and nobody was playing,first show was supposed to be at 10.Also the 70k wrap banners around the drum riser where missing for first shows in Theater ,along with the big banners for 1st couple of Pool stage sets.Pyarmid Shows where hit and miss for sound while Theater was bad.The pizza is way better than the Majesty,crust still sucks but toppings and cheese where decent.Had a great time ,felt like 2012 first time cruise.
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    Re: 70000TONS OF METAL 2017 IS SOLD OUT!

    by captaingabbeh » Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:09 pm

    Downvod wrote:
    General Zod wrote:
    Downvod wrote:Anyone else really disappointed in the Theater sound? I don't remember it being that bad last year. For many of the bands, all I could hear was bass, and the lead guitar was drowned out.

    The sound in the theater was almost always terrible.


    Was this the case last year, though? I guess I didn't spend quite as much time in the Theater in 2016, but aside from maybe Fallujah I didn't recall the sound being real bad.


    I definitely thought the theater sound was better last year. This year I think every second band was having monitor problems, plus the general mix was worse.

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    by Andy » Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:10 pm

    Survivors! Like every year it has been a blast and makes me feel so good to sail the Caribbean with my Heavy Metal Family for Round 7 of 70000TONS OF METAL, The Original, The World’s Biggest Heavy Metal Cruise!

    Last year we had 72 Nations from around the Globe onbroad 70000TONS OF METAL, and once again I truly thought there is no way we could beat that. But again you proved me wrong! This year you brought that count to 74 Countries! All you Survivors from ANDORRA, ARGENTINA, AUSTRALIA, AUSTRIA, BELARUS, BELGIUM, BOLIVIA, BRAZIL, BULGARIA, CANADA, CHILE, CHINA, COLOMBIA, COSTA RICA, CROATIA, CUBA, CZECH REPUBLIC, DENMARK, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, ECUADOR, EGYPT, EL SALVADOR, ESTONIA, FINLAND, FRANCE, GERMANY, GREECE, GUATEMALA, HONDURAS, HONG KONG, HUNGARY, INDIA, IRAN, IRELAND, ISRAEL, ITALY, JAPAN, LEBANON, LITHUANIA, LUXEMBOURG, MALTA, MEXICO, MOLDOVA, NETHERLANDS, NEW CALEDONIA, NEW ZEALAND, NICARAGUA, NORWAY, PANAMA, PERU, PHILIPPINES, POLAND, PORTUGAL, PUERTO RICO, QATAR, ROMANIA, RUSSIA, SAUDI ARABIA, SINGAPORE, SLOVAKIA, SLOVENIA, SOUTH AFRICA, SPAIN, SRI LANKA, SWEDEN, SWITZERLAND, TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO, TUNISIA, TURKEY, UKRAINE, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, UNITED KINGDOM, USA and VENEZUELA made 70000TONS OF METAL 2017 once again truly feel like the United Nations Of Heavy Metal At Sea!

    A special Thank You to all the members of my incredible crew - you are truly the greatest in the world! Last but not least, Thank You to all the Artists and their Crew for 123 fantastic live performances including Jamming With Waters In International Waters, the Clinics, holding all the Meet & Greet and Signing Sessions and participating in all the other Special Events.

    Survivors! I am looking forward to welcoming you back onbroad for Round 8 of 70000TONS OF METAL, The Original, The World’s Biggest Heavy Metal Cruise sailing from Miami/Ft. Lauderdale to Grand Turk, Turks & Caicos and back, February 1-5, 2018.

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    by Madkill » Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:24 pm

    THIS

    mbob wrote:Not only was the sound in the theater consistently terrible the artists were having a lot of difficulties with the monitor mix on stage. Can't tell you how many times I watched aggravated musicians trying to signal the onstage mixer. A lot of shows were delayed while they worked out sound problems. Was very disappointed in the theater this year.

    Pyramid lounge was also terrible as usual. Ended up seeing very little in there.

    Studio B was once again the best venue on the ship. Great sound and stayed pretty much on schedule.

    Pool stage sounded great but was behind schedule too much.

    I had so many shows to see that delays caused me to miss shows (or parts of shows). The delays were terrible this year.

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    by Jimbo2392 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:54 pm

    Great job Andy and crew for another great run. I didn't get to make it, but you bet I have to get my butt back on broad next year!
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    by Badgerbomb300 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:31 pm

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    Re: Thank You To All Survivors From 74 Nations!

    by Mark » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:56 am

    Stam1na did start at around 10:30 at the pool deck, the stage wasn't fully completed at that time though and we've been behind schedule the whole day afterwards.
    Alhambra definitely was the worst offender regarding the sound issues but Pyramid and Pool also had their share of bad sound sets sadly.
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    by MettalMiranda » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:22 am

    My first cruise was the best week of my life ! I even got engaged on the boat. There was so much i loved about being surrounded by only metalnheads and metal music .I nolw understand the pcd jokes that i have been hearing for so long. It changes your life completely in the best ways . I made some fantastic friends and had so much fun . Thank you all so much for making this a vacation i will never forget ! :metalguy:

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    by Monmisreal » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:10 am

    jdch28 wrote:And then Angra's second set happened: some of the mics never worked, both guitars died at some point, and most of the times I heard Fabio cause I was on first row... Still a great performance from their side, but the sound was a sad story :(


    Oh man that sounds like it was worse than Kamelot. They only had one song that sounded flawless, the rest was just bad bad bad.

    I actually dreaded the Alhambra sets this year. Thankfully I don't think Pain had any issues.
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    by General Zod » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:23 am

    The only band I caught in the theater that sounded good was Amorphis.
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    by Downvod » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:40 am

    General Zod wrote:The only band I caught in the theater that sounded good was Amorphis.


    Yeah, I was going to say... Amorphis actually had surprisingly good sound in there. It's a good thing too, because it was my first time seeing them, and they were my top band on the cruise. Then immediately after them, Equilibrium sounded awful again.
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    by General Zod » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:59 pm

    Based on this year's first announcement, we have a mere 149 days to go until the first announcement for the next cruise. That should fly by. :D
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    Re: Thank You To All Survivors From 74 Nations!

    by mooyagi » Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:37 pm

    Okay, which one of you fucks brought the Cruise Crud on broad? Didn't catch it last year but I'm not feeling well now. :bitch:
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    by Pellaz » Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:12 pm

    Yep, almost every show I heard in the Alhambra had some sort of sound weirdness. For Testament the mix was "drums plus a bit of Testament." --And let's not discuss the truly annoying audience spotlights that blinded us enough that we left that show early. (The spot operator seemed to just turn them on and off randomly, simply adding to the misery.)

    I thought Therion sounded decent in the theater, but I was close to the front so I might have missed bad sound in the back of the house....which is where the best sound is supposed to be.

    They were ten people short as far as stage crew this year, so I'm willing to cut them a little slack. After seeing the nightmare logistics involved with 70K's production, what they pull off is still pretty amazing.

    People say that 70K is way too expensive. It isn't cheap and it's much pricier than a "regular" cruise (by about 3x), but for what you're getting and all the logistics involved (how much DOES that crane on the dock cost, anyway?), it's surprisingly low in price.
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    Re: Thank You To All Survivors From 74 Nations!

    by Monmisreal » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:11 am

    Pellaz wrote:People say that 70K is way too expensive. It isn't cheap and it's much pricier than a "regular" cruise (by about 3x), but for what you're getting and all the logistics involved (how much DOES that crane on the dock cost, anyway?), it's surprisingly low in price.


    I have this conversation with people every year. Its expensive for a cruise but it's cheap for a festival, at least if you're from North America. To get a lineup even close to 70k you have to go to Europe, so a flight is basically the price of 70k. 70k includes food, room and board, and ticket price into the cabin price. To me it's definitely not bad at all. Now if I had to travel from AU that'd be a different story. We luck out soo much living in Florida. I can't miss a 70k. 4 hour drive and done.
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    Re: Thank You To All Survivors From 74 Nations!

    by jdch28 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:22 am

    Monmisreal wrote:
    Pellaz wrote:People say that 70K is way too expensive. It isn't cheap and it's much pricier than a "regular" cruise (by about 3x), but for what you're getting and all the logistics involved (how much DOES that crane on the dock cost, anyway?), it's surprisingly low in price.


    I have this conversation with people every year. Its expensive for a cruise but it's cheap for a festival, at least if you're from North America. To get a lineup even close to 70k you have to go to Europe, so a flight is basically the price of 70k. 70k includes food, room and board, and ticket price into the cabin price. To me it's definitely not bad at all. Now if I had to travel from AU that'd be a different story. We luck out soo much living in Florida. I can't miss a 70k. 4 hour drive and done.


    I talked about this onboard a couple of times. We don't get many bands over here (maybe 3-4 a year) and they are usually pricey, so it's a great opportunity to get to see a lot of bands in a single trip (including many that I wouldn't be able to see otherwise). Yeah, it's not cheap at all, but for me it's completely worth the money.

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    Re: Thank You To All Survivors From 74 Nations!

    by General Zod » Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:35 am

    Monmisreal wrote:
    Pellaz wrote:Its expensive for a cruise but it's cheap for a festival, at least if you're from North America. To get a lineup even close to 70k you have to go to Europe, so a flight is basically the price of 70k. 70k includes food, room and board, and ticket price into the cabin price.

    Having done a pair of Euro festivals (Wacken 2007 and Sweden Rock 2008), I find the biggest selling point of 70K is the civility of it all. At Euro festivals, once you're there, you're there. There's often no where to even sit down, other than the ground. There's typically no where to escape the blazing hot sun or any of the other elements. If you need to use the bathroom, take a nap, take a break, etc., you don't have the opportunity to simply stroll back to your cabin. There's simply no escaping the crush of humanity that surrounds you. Merely moving between the True Metal Stage and Black Stages at Wacken (which are adjacent) can take twenty minutes. If you camp at the festivals, you have to live in conditions that look like something straight out of the Book of Revelations after seven plagues have hit. If you get a hotel room you have to get you and your rental car back to the room each night. Getting food and drink is a matter of standing in endless lines. And of course none of this even considers that by Day 3 the whole place smells like piss. We were fortunate enough to have VIP badges at both festivals, and even those advantages don't bridge the gap between a Euro festival and 70K.
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    Re: Thank You To All Survivors From 74 Nations!

    by Downvod » Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:46 am

    Monmisreal wrote:
    Pellaz wrote:People say that 70K is way too expensive. It isn't cheap and it's much pricier than a "regular" cruise (by about 3x), but for what you're getting and all the logistics involved (how much DOES that crane on the dock cost, anyway?), it's surprisingly low in price.


    I have this conversation with people every year. Its expensive for a cruise but it's cheap for a festival, at least if you're from North America. To get a lineup even close to 70k you have to go to Europe, so a flight is basically the price of 70k. 70k includes food, room and board, and ticket price into the cabin price. To me it's definitely not bad at all. Now if I had to travel from AU that'd be a different story. We luck out soo much living in Florida. I can't miss a 70k. 4 hour drive and done.


    I can understand people saying the cruise is too expensive for their own personal financial situation, but to say it isn't worth the cost is absurd. People pay $5,000 or more for a vacation at a Caribbean resort. This is a 4 day luxury cruise that also happens to include 121 possible concerts, a backstage VIP pass, and all you can eat food. Hard to put a price on the overall atmosphere and experience. I honestly struggle to imagine how UMC makes a profit on this event, with all the involved expenses.
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    Re: Thank You To All Survivors From 74 Nations!

    by bodomdragon » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:36 pm

    Time for the highlights this year:

    1. Allegaeon. OK, this has been mentioned before, but for fuck's sake, what a fucking party they put on the Pyramid. That was absolutely legendary. I had so much fan headbanging, moshing and crowdsurfing with the crabs.

    2. Scar Symmetry. I was on first row at the Pyramid set and I it was one of the best shows in my entire life. There was a sort of connection that I can't even explain with the guitar player, he came to me and hugged me at the end of the show, and thanked me for singing along every fucking song. All I could say was, dude, thanks to you guys for the killer show! I really, really enjoyed it.

    3. Security. Once again, it needs to be said. Things have definitely changed. Security guys are fucking cool now, and they are extremely kind and patient with all the crowd surfing. Great job!!! By the way, did anyone else catch the security guy at Allegaeon cheering the crowd up a few moments before the show stared? Jeez, he didn't know what was coming :D

    4. The Pyramid Lounge. I've you've read points 1 and 2, you'll understand. I must take back pretty much everything bad I've said about this place before. It is not good for everything, but it is good if you know what it's good for. If you manage to enjoy one of your favourite bands from the first row, man, you're gonna have a HUGE time. And if you get into a party like Allegaeon did, I can't think of a better place. So yes, the Pyramid works sometimes.

    5. The running order. It was great, and I missed much, much less than expected. Good job! Also the weather helped, I think it was the first year out of the last four where no rescheduling was necessary.

    6. The general atmosphere. As usual, 70K is synonym for fun, great atmosphere and great people. Luckily enough, nothing changes here. So cool to meet people from all over the world, even if it's just for a few seconds of fun in the middle of a show.
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    Re: Thank You To All Survivors From 74 Nations!

    by Phoenix » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:39 pm

    bodomdragon wrote:2. Scar Symmetry. I was on first row at the Pyramid set and I it was one of the best shows in my entire life. There was a sort of connection that I can't even explain with the guitar player, he came to me and hugged me at the end of the show, and thanked me for singing along every fucking song. All I could say was, dude, thanks to you guys for the killer show! I really, really enjoyed it.

    Fuck, that show was amazing. And they ended with Morphogenesis! Only way it could have been better was if they played Holographic Universe. Playing My Heart Will Go On at the start and the end made that show an extra level of special.

    I got a pick from Per at their first show. That was pretty special.
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    Re: Thank You To All Survivors From 74 Nations!

    by macamatic » Thu Feb 09, 2017 2:11 pm

    Monmisreal wrote:We luck out soo much living in Florida. I can't miss a 70k. 4 hour drive and done.


    This is why I'll almost certainly be back next year and every year for the foreseeable future. I essentially commuted, cutting my costs in half or even further compared to international travelers. I also don't drink that much, so my total bill for the cruise, everything included, was around $1200-1300. I've spent more for less.

    Other things:
    - No ailments here, other than soreness. I got a lot of rest during bands I didn't care about.
    - The theater sounded awful from the floor. There were multiple bands where the lead guitar was almost absent, and it took like four songs into Amaranthe's set before they fixed Henrik's mic (he had to share with Jake until then, which was pretty amusing). The bands I saw from the upper level sounded fine.
    - I guess I'm just not that big a fan of the band, because (and I can admit this now that Jess doesn't know where I sleep) I was underwhelmed by both of Scar Symmetry's sets. Xandria didn't particularly impress me either. Everyone else I saw was great.
    - Kalmah desperately needs a translator onstage.

    All in all, an amazing experience, but I'm not yearning for more like many seem to be. You do reach diminishing returns eventually, and while I had previously thought Andy could extend the cruise, I now realize it's already the right length.
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    Re: Thank You To All Survivors From 74 Nations!

    by TPH » Thu Feb 09, 2017 2:49 pm

    General Zod wrote:Having done a pair of Euro festivals (Wacken 2007 and Sweden Rock 2008), I find the biggest selling point of 70K is the civility of it all. At Euro festivals, once you're there, you're there. There's often no where to even sit down, other than the ground. There's typically no where to escape the blazing hot sun or any of the other elements. If you need to use the bathroom, take a nap, take a break, etc., you don't have the opportunity to simply stroll back to your cabin. There's simply no escaping the crush of humanity that surrounds you. Merely moving between the True Metal Stage and Black Stages at Wacken (which are adjacent) can take twenty minutes. If you camp at the festivals, you have to live in conditions that look like something straight out of the Book of Revelations after seven plagues have hit. If you get a hotel room you have to get you and your rental car back to the room each night. Getting food and drink is a matter of standing in endless lines. And of course none of this even considers that by Day 3 the whole place smells like piss. We were fortunate enough to have VIP badges at both festivals, and even those advantages don't bridge the gap between a Euro festival and 70K.


    Well, sorry to tell you, but your post is so full of bullshit it's not even funny. Just going to TWO metal festivals in Europe almost ten years ago didn't make you an expert, obviously...

    I've been to Wacken 2003, then Fury Fest 2004/2005, and every Hellfest since 2006. And I often speak with people from all over Europe that are going to other festivals in Europe. While Wacken is way too big/crowded according to a friend that goes there every year, I can guarantee that absolutely everything you say is false regarding Hellfest (even if it's close to be overcrowded as well, that's why they don't sell more tickets anymore since 2015). You have places to rest, tons of food stands, lots of bars, places to sit, to hide from the sun, shower with (kind of) hot water, the place is clean, etc. And I know for sure that Brutal Assault is really good as well, Party San is cool...
    The only really annoying thing is the non stop rain for the whole fest, it happened to me only once, during the Hellfest 2007. But even if it was total hell, and WAY more disorganized than now, it's still one of my best experiences ever.
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