The Official 70000TONS OF METAL 2018 Megathread - Page 62

by **Pellaz** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:50 pm

Phoenix wrote:60 bands is fine, as long as they're in decent variety. I think that no matter what the move to another boat is, more cruisers, same amount of bands, same amount of days or one more if we absolutely have to.

The only times why I'd want or accept a lower number of bands would be.....
-- if logistics required it: time-slot issues, operational considerations, etc. This would include weather contingency planning
-- if having a drop-dead amazing, but "complicated" band booking required it: Ayreon, Avantasia, Emperor+Ihsahn, Green Carnation, etc., and they might require two slots' worth of time (or money

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by **cegr80** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:24 pm

bodomdragon wrote:
TPH wrote:My survey will be limited to this thing, hoping that Andy will read this post: I've done it for my two cruises, but form now on, I will never buy any 70000Tons' own merch. I know exactly how much a Gildan shirt or hoodie costs to make, for batches that I have no doubt were way smaller than what 70K are printing.
Selling hoodies 70$ or shirts for 35$ is a fucking joke, and there is not a single cent coming from me on the boat's merch as long as these prices stay the same, I'll only target boat-specific shirts from bands I like from now on.

I corrected that for you.

Agreed. They are bleeding us with those 70k merch prices!

by **mooyagi** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:50 pm

Pellaz wrote:
Phoenix wrote:60 bands is fine, as long as they're in decent variety. I think that no matter what the move to another boat is, more cruisers, same amount of bands, same amount of days or one more if we absolutely have to.

The only times why I'd want or accept a lower number of bands would be.....
-- if logistics required it: time-slot issues, operational considerations, etc. This would include weather contingency planning
-- if having a drop-dead amazing, but "complicated" band booking required it: Ayreon, Avantasia, Emperor+Ihsahn, Green Carnation, etc., and they might require two slots' worth of time (or money )

Maybe fewer bands would give them more time to get everything set up and working right on the first day.

by **Razor Ramon** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:44 pm

Less bands is dumb, I don't want less chances to win the band lottery.

by **Pellaz** » Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:46 am

mooyagi wrote:
Pellaz wrote:
Phoenix wrote:60 bands is fine, as long as they're in decent variety. I think that no matter what the move to another boat is, more cruisers, same amount of bands, same amount of days or one more if we absolutely have to.

The only times why I'd want or accept a lower number of bands would be.....
-- if logistics required it: time-slot issues, operational considerations, etc. This would include weather contingency planning
-- if having a drop-dead amazing, but "complicated" band booking required it: Ayreon, Avantasia, Emperor+Ihsahn, Green Carnation, etc., and they might require two slots' worth of time (or money )

Maybe fewer bands would give them more time to get everything set up and working right on the first day.

Well, assembling the pool-deck stage facing the correct way is also a help.

by **acidbasement** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:21 am

I'd be fine with fewer bands if it meant longer sets.

by **cegr80** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:24 am

I'm totally fine with 61 bands. There's a higher chance for diversity which is always welcome. I'm all in for variety even if I don't enjoy some of the genres

by **cowboy71** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:21 pm

cegr80 wrote:I'm totally fine with 61 bands. There's a higher chance for diversity which is always welcome. I'm all in for variety even if I don't enjoy some of the genres

I agree.

While I enjoyed most of the lineups of 40ish bands on The Majesty, a lot of that was to do with the fact that back then, I had a heap of bands - 9 in fact - that I liked very much and was only the first or second time I had seen them. 2012 had 7 bands fitting that category, 2 in 2013 and 5 in 2014.

With the passing of years, and 70k's penchant for getting repeats (over half the lineup this year had played 70k previously!!), the likelihood of me getting bucketlist bands that I've never before seen on the lineup drops more and more.

So any reduction of the number of bands playing even further reduces the likelihood of that.

by **Pellaz** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:17 pm

cowboy71 wrote:
cegr80 wrote:I'm totally fine with 61 bands. There's a higher chance for diversity which is always welcome. I'm all in for variety even if I don't enjoy some of the genres

I agree.

While I enjoyed most of the lineups of 40ish bands on The Majesty, a lot of that was to do with the fact that back then, I had a heap of bands - 9 in fact - that I liked very much and was only the first or second time I had seen them. 2012 had 7 bands fitting that category, 2 in 2013 and 5 in 2014.

With the passing of years, and 70k's penchant for getting repeats (over half the lineup this year had played 70k previously!!), the likelihood of me getting bucketlist bands that I've never before seen on the lineup drops more and more.

And statistically

, it makes sense that the number of repeats can only trend upwards each year. With 60+ bands on the lineup every sailing, the pool of available, never-played-before bands drops a little. Sure, Andy could book a lineup of 60 bands ALL new to 70K, but realistically it would probably draw poorly.
So any reduction of the number of bands playing even further reduces the likelihood of that.

by **Verdelet87** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:09 pm

Where do we post our wish list for 2019?

by **Verdelet87** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:38 pm

Wishlist for 2019

Akercocke
Akercocke
Akercocke
Akercocke
Akercocke
Akercocke
Dragonland
Dragonland
Dragonland
Dragonland
Dragonland
Dragonland
Hate eternal
Primitive man
Archspire
Primordial
Dark fortress
Obituary
Death angel
Paradise lost
Hammerfall
Ashes of ares
Iced earth
Avatarium
Sumac
Myrkur
Killer be killed
Behemoth
Venom inc
In the woods
Gojira
Gloryhammer
At the gates
Rotting Christ
Gatecreeper
Abbath
Tyr
Heidevolk
Vader
Hate
Dark funeral
Kampfar
My dying bride

by **Ethrivas** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:30 pm

There is a separate thread called "2019 Wishlist" mate.

by **Madkill** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:30 am

Didn't get a chance to do the survey, so taking the opportunity here to request that whoever did the sound at the Ice Rink doesn't get anywhere close to the boat ever again. Thanks.

by **cowboy71** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:03 pm

Madkill wrote:Didn't get a chance to do the survey, so taking the opportunity here to request that whoever did the sound at the Ice Rink doesn't get anywhere close to the boat ever again. Thanks.

They need to clone the people that did the sound in the Pyramid. I thought the sound was excellent there this year.

by **Madkill** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:32 am

cowboy71 wrote:
Madkill wrote:Didn't get a chance to do the survey, so taking the opportunity here to request that whoever did the sound at the Ice Rink doesn't get anywhere close to the boat ever again. Thanks.

They need to clone the people that did the sound in the Pyramid. I thought the sound was excellent there this year.

Agree. It's a shame that Obscura sounded better there, with the obvious space limitations and less people to enjoy the set, than at the Ice Rink.

by **Phoenix** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:06 am

Madkill wrote:
cowboy71 wrote:
Madkill wrote:Didn't get a chance to do the survey, so taking the opportunity here to request that whoever did the sound at the Ice Rink doesn't get anywhere close to the boat ever again. Thanks.

They need to clone the people that did the sound in the Pyramid. I thought the sound was excellent there this year.
Agree. It's a shame that Obscura sounded better there, with the obvious space limitations and less people to enjoy the set, than at the Ice Rink.

Yup. I had to leave the Ice Rink set. It was not good. Pyramid Lounge - shit visibility unless you're on the bar, but fan-fucking-tastic sound. The Aeternam show this year? The Scar Symmetry show last year? Perfection.

by **acidbasement** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:28 am

I thought the sound was better this year than in 2017 in the ice rink and Alhambra, by a long shot. In 2017 I walked out of a few sets that I had been anticipating for months, like Kalmah in the Alhambra. This year I had no issues at all.

The Pyramid was too loud for me to spend much time in there this year though. Even with good earplugs I felt like it was a bad idea. Maybe I'm getting old(er).

by **slayergeek** » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:32 am

acidbasement wrote:I thought the sound was better this year than in 2017 in the ice rink and Alhambra, by a long shot. In 2017 I walked out of a few sets that I had been anticipating for months, like Kalmah in the Alhambra. This year I had no issues at all.

The Pyramid was too loud for me to spend much time in there this year though. Even with good earplugs I felt like it was a bad idea. Maybe I'm getting old(er).

I agee that the sound was pretty good overall. The only show I had major sound issue with was the Exodus pool set. I could only hear the snare drum from where I was. Every song sounded like wack, wack wack, wack, wack, wack, wack, wack with little else getting through.

by **acidbasement** » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:25 am

So, the 2018 megathread started April 12 last year. Is the 2019 thread going to start SOON?

by **cegr80** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:03 pm

acidbasement wrote:So, the 2018 megathread started April 12 last year. Is the 2019 thread going to start SOON?

Good guess, mate

by **Downvod** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:46 am

acidbasement wrote:I thought the sound was better this year than in 2017 in the ice rink and Alhambra, by a long shot. In 2017 I walked out of a few sets that I had been anticipating for months, like Kalmah in the Alhambra. This year I had no issues at all.

The Pyramid was too loud for me to spend much time in there this year though. Even with good earplugs I felt like it was a bad idea. Maybe I'm getting old(er).

In 2017, my experience was that a lot of shows in the Alhambra had awful sound, and the Ice Rink was mostly a great experience. In 2018, the two flip-flopped. The Alhambra had pretty good sound and the Ice Rink was mostly awful. If you thought the Ice Rink had good sound this year, you must have been pretty lucky in your show selection in there. There were quite a few epic fails there this year.... (Insomnium, Enslaved, SepticFlesh, Wolfheart all come to mind).

by **Phoenix** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:50 am

Downvod wrote:
In 2017, my experience was that a lot of shows in the Alhambra had awful sound, and the Ice Rink was mostly a great experience. In 2018, the two flip-flopped. The Alhambra had pretty good sound and the Ice Rink was mostly awful. If you thought the Ice Rink had good sound this year, you must have been pretty lucky in your show selection in there. There were quite a few epic fails there this year.... (Insomnium, Enslaved, SepticFlesh, Wolfheart all come to mind).

Ice Rink was down to where you were located. I was at the front for Insomnium in the Ice Rink and it was great. Metsatoll was too. Obscura, I had to leave.

by **cegr80** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:59 pm

Phoenix wrote:Obscura, I had to leave.

Glad I skipped that set. Voivod was badass at the Alhambra

by **VikThor** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:48 am

Amon Amarth
Be’lakor
NeO
Soen
Persefone
Pain of Salvation
Haken
DGM
Andromeda
Myrath
Opeth
Gorod
Primordial
Night Demon
Them
Iced Earth
Blind Guardian
Helloween
Symphony X
Finntroll
Wintersun
Behemoth
Dimmu Borgir
Judas Priest
Dust Bolt
Memoriam
Sodom
Cirith Ungol
Candlemass
Helstar
Riot V
Powerwolf
Oceans of slumber
Below
Sorcerer
Warlord
Cynic
Visigoth
Thulcandra
Emperor
Tyr
Vallenfyre
Bloodbath
Batushka

by **acidbasement** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:19 pm

Hey, this thread is no longer stickied! Prepare for the 2019 thread!

by **cegr80** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:39 pm

It's coming!

by **slayergeek** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:41 pm

So on what date do people think we will get the first announcement?

by **Phoenix** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:43 pm

slayergeek wrote:So on what date do people think we will get the first announcement?

There's another thread for that

by **Pellaz** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:14 pm

SoooOOOOoooOOOOOoooooooOOOoooOOooooooooOOOOOOOOOON.

by **Phoenix** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:58 pm

What's this? Barge to Hell just updated their profile picture on Facebook?

Is Andy up to his usual trolling again?

by **cegr80** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:45 pm

What's going on, guys?

by **cowboy71** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:22 pm

Still waiting for Andy to create the official 70k 2019 Megathread. When he does that we'll know that things are starting to kick into gear.

I do note that he has visited the forum this week - first time in a month or two. So things are slowly ramping up :)

by **deathmetalpat** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:26 pm

cegr80 wrote:What's going on, guys?

Cuba got a new President that isn't a Castro https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2 ... dent-video

by **cegr80** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:00 pm

deathmetalpat wrote:
cegr80 wrote:What's going on, guys?
Cuba got a new President that isn't a Castro https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2 ... dent-video

Will this be the beginning of the end? Too soon to tell! Andy still wants to take our precious boat to Cuba

by **Pellaz** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:23 pm

cegr80 wrote:
deathmetalpat wrote:
cegr80 wrote:What's going on, guys?
Cuba got a new President that isn't a Castro https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2 ... dent-video

Will this be the beginning of the end? Too soon to tell! Andy still wants to take our precious boat to Cuba

Since 70K has been selling out faster, one wonders if Royal might be willing to give Andy another chance at a Barge to Hell (i.e., Cuba) on a smaller ship, say Majesty or Empress.
If that were the case, if I was UMC, I'd drop the "only death/black metal" focus and make it a varied lineup like 70K, only on a smaller scale...and going to Cuba.

by **deathmetalpat** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:47 pm

My thoughts and speculation on this ...
Andy can sell 5,000 tickets now with some people doing both cruises
A few bands that are unavailable for February could do early December
Andy sells Majesty with Cuba and anyone who pays in full will have first shot at 70k even before Gold Level.
You don’t have to buy both which could have some people doing Majesty and skipping February
Andy sees how December date sells in 2019 to see if he can move big cruise in 2020 (because of Super Bowl in Miami 2020)
It is a test run to see how many tickets he can sell so
,if he can sellout both and then get the biggest ship in Royal Caribbean for 2020

by **Phoenix** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:43 am

deathmetalpat wrote:My thoughts and speculation on this ...
Andy can sell 5,000 tickets now with some people doing both cruises
A few bands that are unavailable for February could do early December
Andy sells Majesty with Cuba and anyone who pays in full will have first shot at 70k even before Gold Level.
You don’t have to buy both which could have some people doing Majesty and skipping February
Andy sees how December date sells in 2019 to see if he can move big cruise in 2020 (because of Super Bowl in Miami 2020)
It is a test run to see how many tickets he can sell so
,if he can sellout both and then get the biggest ship in Royal Caribbean for 2020

I mean it's not a bad idea, though doing two varied lineups (like Pellaz says) would be really hard on people that would then want to do both. If they kept Barge to like, extreme metal, and then put the fluff on 70k, that might be better for me (who doesn't really do the power metal thing). Though I guess it kind of depends on where he draws the line. If, as an example, NeO ended up on one boat, and Mors Principium Est on the other, I'd feel real bad because there's absolutely no way I could do both (though I've been itching to try and do one).

Though, I'm looking at my current plans for the year, and I only have four days of vacation left to take.

by **cegr80** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:31 am

I'm barely making it to 70k as we speak, so a second cruise would be a big no no for me, regardless of the lineup. I like a lot of genres, so Barge To Hell would have to be a top-tier lineup for me to even consider it

by **FinnPete** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:20 pm

I was first time on boat 2018 (alone) and of course I had absolutely no idea how awesome this cruise is. It took time to find the right places, to have some kind of plan where to be and when. Even before cruise my plan looked like I would miss some gigs. Well, what I realized.. I was talking with some new friends after or before the shows. So I missed some more shows just because of that. But I would've missed more if the cruise would've been targeted to music style what I like. Barge to Hell would not be a cruise where I would be a first in line. I'm more in to power/symphonic metal. On the other hand, on last cruise sometimes I ended up on being on a venue where I liked listening to some not so vocal lyrics too when the instrument melodies were sounding great! So, I'd say it's not a good idea to have a 60 band "melodic singer cruise" and 60 band "growling singer" cruise.

My wish.. Do not make a hard split with bands. Keep 70k as it is or soften it to hard rock, then make BtH harder. Who likes both.. If all would be on one cruise a choice should be made anyway :(

I hope everyone understands what I mean...

by **Pellaz** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:30 pm

Phoenix wrote:
deathmetalpat wrote:My thoughts and speculation on this ...
Andy can sell 5,000 tickets now with some people doing both cruises
A few bands that are unavailable for February could do early December
Andy sells Majesty with Cuba and anyone who pays in full will have first shot at 70k even before Gold Level.
You don’t have to buy both which could have some people doing Majesty and skipping February
Andy sees how December date sells in 2019 to see if he can move big cruise in 2020 (because of Super Bowl in Miami 2020)
It is a test run to see how many tickets he can sell so
,if he can sellout both and then get the biggest ship in Royal Caribbean for 2020

I mean it's not a bad idea, though doing two varied lineups (like Pellaz says) would be really hard on people that would then want to do both. If they kept Barge to like, extreme metal, and then put the fluff on 70k, that might be better for me (who doesn't really do the power metal thing). Though I guess it kind of depends on where he draws the line. If, as an example, NeO ended up on one boat, and Mors Principium Est on the other, I'd feel real bad because there's absolutely no way I could do both (though I've been itching to try and do one).

Though, I'm looking at my current plans for the year, and I only have four days of vacation left to take.

Oh, I wouldn't expect any sort of revival of Barge to Hell until maybe 2020...and that could be what Andy's "big surprise" is for that year. Not the rumored move to a larger ship, but 70K and a reboot of BtH. He could stage the reboot in the fall of 2020 and see how it does...and we know how much he wants to go to Cuba.

Based on the Facebook discussion about Barge maybe coming back, it looked as if most people would be making a choice to do one or the other, but NOT both...which might not be what Andy and UMC want to see.

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