Time for some Cripper bands?
Time for some Cripper bands?
There are no two cripper bands I want to see more than I Spit Ashes and Northern Genocide
Don't think so!
You can check all his posts here:
He has forsaken us!
That would require him to announce an "S" band first. So Andy needs to hurry up and announce Silent Civilian and get the Cripper Show on the roadPellaz wrote: He has forsaken us!
Wait, maybe he's been giving us a deep clue and he's booking that band Forsaken.
Maybe this is why we got the Youtube post. No band announcements but maybe he's throwing some filler content in? Finally? Probably not.cowboy71 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:04 pm Every year, around this time of year, we get a biiiig announcement drought. Is this the start of the 2019 drought?
2019 - ?????
2018 - 16 Nov - 03 Jan 48 days
2017 - 21 Aug - 22 Dec 123 days
2016 - 03 Oct - 30 Dec 88 days
2015 - 26 Sep - 26 Nov 61 days
2014 - 18 May - 09 Nov 175 days
I was under the impression we already got a 60 day drought from July 1 to August 31st :(cowboy71 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:04 pm Every year, around this time of year, we get a biiiig announcement drought. Is this the start of the 2019 drought?
2019 - ?????
2018 - 16 Nov - 03 Jan 48 days
2017 - 21 Aug - 22 Dec 123 days
2016 - 03 Oct - 30 Dec 88 days
2015 - 26 Sep - 26 Nov 61 days
2014 - 18 May - 09 Nov 175 days
Yes, jinx this in the best way!
You misspelled Seventh Wonder in a very strange way.Phoenix wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:11 pmThat would require him to announce an "S" band first. So Andy needs to hurry up and announce Silent Civilian and get the Cripper Show on the roadPellaz wrote: He has forsaken us!
Wait, maybe he's been giving us a deep clue and he's booking that band Forsaken.
Don't ruin this for me Bodom
Silent Wonder?
I disagree; I feel like 70K/UMC owes us nothing. If you want to complain about the way they do announcements, include that in the Survivor Feedback. Personally, I find announcing one band at a time, and with their clues, a great way to build hype and keep things interesting almost year-round. What other festival announces one band at a time? Only one I can think of is Wacken with their "advent calendar." Add in the recap videos, interviews, survivor tips, boat facts, etc. and it's almost constant interaction - especially with their Social Media team posting on Instagram and Facebook daily, and even responding to peoples comments. What other festivals are this interactive with their attendees? I'm pretty sure none... I think the way they do things is great and I hope they continue to do things this way. Maybe they could find some middle-ground and announce a band every Monday or something (+ the initial 10 in a row and on holidays to round out the 60 days we'd need) for added stability to please people who feel the same way you do.Phoenix wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:28 am Yeah, I'm probably not coming again after this. I find the late start AND a long period of silence a big slap in the face. And after In Vain and Mors, the only band I'm missing on my bucket list is Soilwork. A North American tour is likely imminent, with their new album release, so I'll be covered.
There's a fun time, but there's also rewarding loyalty with poor treatment.
I believe we've had this conversation before - I'm not trying to start a fight, but you've presented an argument and I'm at least presenting my point of view. And I'm not "naming other things that X" because that devolves into an argument over semantics 90% of the time. (Well, that and because aside from Burning Man, which I have not been to, all my examples are not public festivals.)
These are very valid points that I agree wholeheartedly with!Phoenix wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:04 pm My problem is that Andy literally told us that he would start the process EARLIER this year and would make a system that makes it easier for newbies to get on broad. He flat out DID NOT deliver one of those, and his solution for the other was to force loyal customers to hold out longer or move on. I don't think either of those was a good move for anyone involved. I know SO MANY cruisers that gave up on this year as a result. People that were otherwise VERY loyal customers. That's what I care about as far as treatment goes, not daily posts we would delete without looking at if they were newsletters.
Me either, and I know things sound more harsh/argumentative via Forum than they would in person. I'm just trying to express my POV, too.
Yeah, Andy did drop the ball on this aspect, I agree. I'm sure he is aware that we are all waiting for a resolution to this, but I'm confident we're not going to get anything that makes everyone happy. This is a very tough problem to have to find a solution for. Funny you mention Burning Man, because I'm also not a fan of their lottery system. I've never been, either, but I've been buying tickets to it for years just so that my burner friends can be sure to have them as they can easily get screwed out of going due to the lottery.Phoenix wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:04 pm Andy literally told us that he would start the process EARLIER this year and would make a system that makes it easier for newbies to get on broad. He flat out DID NOT deliver one of those, and his solution for the other was to force loyal customers to hold out longer or move on.
I chalk the rising costs up to raising RCI prices (+ inflation), boat upgrades, and a higher number of more popular or expensive bands. I don't see a slip in services, but that's probably a very opinionated thing, as well. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Cheers for that - it absolutely can be really easy to come off as angry on the internet. I wanted to add that bit to make it clear that I'm trying to be a civil human :)Ti7aNiC wrote: Me either, and I know things sound more harsh/argumentative via Forum than they would in person. I'm just trying to express my POV, too.
Easy answer: ProgPower USA. If there is a problem, a delay or a cancellation, promoter Glenn Harveston is IMMEDIATELY forthcoming about the reason why and what he's doing to remedy it.Ti7aNiC wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:30 pmI disagree; I feel like 70K/UMC owes us nothing. If you want to complain about the way they do announcements, include that in the Survivor Feedback. Personally, I find announcing one band at a time, and with their clues, a great way to build hype and keep things interesting almost year-round. What other festival announces one band at a time? Only one I can think of is Wacken with their "advent calendar." Add in the recap videos, interviews, survivor tips, boat facts, etc. and it's almost constant interaction - especially with their Social Media team posting on Instagram and Facebook daily, and even responding to peoples comments. What other festivals are this interactive with their attendees? I'm pretty sure none...Phoenix wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:28 am Yeah, I'm probably not coming again after this. I find the late start AND a long period of silence a big slap in the face. And after In Vain and Mors, the only band I'm missing on my bucket list is Soilwork. A North American tour is likely imminent, with their new album release, so I'll be covered.
There's a fun time, but there's also rewarding loyalty with poor treatment.
I don't have a problem with the way Andy announces bands, I just have a problem with the timing, the delays, and the sometimes complete lack of information. I also have a problem with WHEN he books bands (or doesn't). There's an entire YEAR between 70K sailings, and yet he books some bands incredibly late in the game, sometimes during the two weeks just before we sail. Seriously? For such an otherwise well-run event? He couldn't have had his bands locked down sooner? It boggles the mind.I think the way they do things is great and I hope they continue to do things this way. Maybe they could find some middle-ground and announce a band every Monday or something (+ the initial 10 in a row and on holidays to round out the 60 days we'd need) for added stability to please people who feel the same way you do.
Yup - and if it sells out 3+ months out from sailing like it did this year there is no necessity to change regardless of what we think/want!
Agreed, but that's not really what I (or anyone, AFAIK) is looking for.alex_canada wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:20 pm Ehhh, 70k to Progpower is like apples and oranges. When you start out promoting a small regional festival in a bar around the year 2000, it's easier to set that standard of open communication. Conversely, when your first festival is backed by diverse investors and involves booking several headliner-calibre international bands in international waters, there are too many logistics to focus on. Doing a lengthy post about how the 60 bands were chosen each year would sell zero tickets.
--Except that, as I recall, he didn't. The band was willing to play but "they got too big too fast" and their label nixed the show due to touring and promotional issues. He WAS disappointed, to be sure, as booking Volbeat that early was quite a coup, but I don't remember him badmouthing the band themselves.In this day and age, artists, labels, and fans are sensitive to insider information. Glenn Harveston can get away with stuff like badmouthing Volbeat for dropping Progpower to take another opportunity.
And fewer bands....but on average, one tenth or less the cost for attendees.He has a funding model involving sponsor attendees, and just grew the thing himself. If Andy puts something in writing about how irritated he is with Kamelot's statement, Finntroll's drunken set, or how shitty Amaranthe's new album is, that does no favours with stakeholders and all the moving parts of UMC. I've been to Progpower several times and love the openness, but it's less than professional at times and involves on average lower-level bands.
lol, really? Someone got butthurt about THAT?Although I wish announcements were timed, on the flipside I know Andy will never do something like instituting a rule against moshing/crowd surfing and then request one of his favorite songs to be covered so he can personally stage dive alone. Apples to oranges.
Yep. And I really love both festivals and will continue to support and attend both.Andy's engagement, directly or though employees, is equal or better than other similar festivals. That doesn't mean there aren't plenty of headscratchers.
This right here. Honestly I don't really care that there was a delay in the announcements, the problem was the complete radio silence on 70k's part other than the canned responses on social media with "don't worry, it's coming soon!" A simple statement like "hey guys, we know you're excited and we know there haven't been announcements yet, they've been delayed because of <logistical issues related to the Independence upgrade/negotiating our new post-Independence contract with RC/we're thinking about starting announcements later so they can come in a more consistent rhythm between booking and departure>, so please bear with us!" would have made a huge differencePellaz wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:53 pm Agreed, but that's not really what I (or anyone, AFAIK) is looking for.
I think most of us WOULD like more openness from Andy (or whoever) as to why the lengthy delays occur...or at the very least, an estimate of when we can expect any announcements or bookings to resume. We've seen several posts on FB groups from Survivors and newbies alike who opted OUT of attending 70K 2019 because of that looong initial delay, citing that "extreme unprofessionalism" as the reason.
*notes the subject line*Andy wrote: Only 70 Days until 70000TONS OF METAL 2019 sets sail!
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