70000 Tons of NO Metal

by **cowboy71** » Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:16 pm

100 days to go and:

- no pinned "OFFICIAL" 2020 thread on the forum
- no 2019 day 4 recap video
- no bands
- no booking codes
- no updated payment date in the terms and conditions

What have I missed?

by **PotatoPotahto** » Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:21 pm

cowboy71 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:16 pm
100 days to go and:

- no pinned "OFFICIAL" 2020 thread on the forum
- no 2019 day 4 recap video
- no bands
- no booking codes
- no updated payment date in the terms and conditions

What have I missed?

No hope </3

by **Tiki108** » Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:23 pm

by **Shalini** » Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:24 pm

Maybe they'll let us all on board for free, so no payments!

by **cowboy71** » Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:36 pm

Shalini wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:24 pm
Maybe they'll let us all on board for free, so no payments!

That's the spirit! Optimism at its best right there

by **cegr80** » Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:51 pm

No logo

by **Cardest** » Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:54 pm

cowboy71 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:16 pm
100 days to go and:

- no pinned "OFFICIAL" 2020 thread on the forum
- no 2019 day 4 recap video
- no bands
- no booking codes
- no updated payment date in the terms and conditions

What have I missed?

70000 tons of sadness.

Considering that where we are Statsie, I reckon, by 5pm/6pm Oz time, it'll be midnight in Vancouver time, that ticks over to 100 days officially. Am I right?
After such a boring AFL Grand Final yesterday, I was super keen for some exciting distractions. I was convinced last night going to bed for sure, tomorrow morning, we'll have news!
Far out.

by **Tiki108** » Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:57 pm

I know prior years they've tried to say they "build anticipation" or something with the announcement delays, but I honestly have just reached a point that I'm not even excited or hopeful. I'm just bummed out...

by **Cardest** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:34 am

And the silence continues...................................

by **jeyrow** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:08 am

But we have the pool girl monthly

cowboy71 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:16 pm
100 days to go and:

- no pinned "OFFICIAL" 2020 thread on the forum
- no 2019 day 4 recap video
- no bands
- no booking codes
- no updated payment date in the terms and conditions

What have I missed?

by **cowboy71** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:31 pm

UPDATE!!

99 days to go and:

- no pinned "OFFICIAL" 2020 thread on the forum
- no 2019 day 4 recap video
- no bands
- no booking codes
- no updated payment date in the terms and conditions
- no '100 days to go' post
- no 2020 logo
- no customer service
- no fucking hope

What have I missed?

by **jeyrow** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:39 pm

We are fucked, another reason not to go. It's crap seriously.

cowboy71 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:31 pm
UPDATE!!

99 days to go and:

- no pinned "OFFICIAL" 2020 thread on the forum
- no 2019 day 4 recap video
- no bands
- no booking codes
- no updated payment date in the terms and conditions
- no '100 days to go' post
- no 2020 logo
- no customer service
- no fucking hope

What have I missed?

by **Godflesh** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:02 pm

No update to YouTube, Instagram, Twitter and the forum, despite posting a new video on Facebook.

by **cowboy71** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:13 pm

FURTHER UPDATE!!

99 days to go and:

- no pinned "OFFICIAL" 2020 thread on the forum
- no 2019 day 4 recap video
- no bands
- no booking codes
- no updated payment date in the terms and conditions
- no '100 days to go' post
- no 2020 logo
- no customer service
- no fucking hope
- no forum update since August 8th
- no twitter update since the last poolgirl on September 4th
- no youtube update since the Day 3 video on April 18th
- no instagram update since September 11th
- no facebook updates since September 21st

What have I missed?

by **ShoreSlayer** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:17 pm

cowboy71 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:13 pm
What have I missed?

No DVD
Anyone ever get a schwag bag in their cabin? I thought those were promised or hinted at at one point but can't recall ever getting one myself

by **cowboy71** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:26 pm

ShoreSlayer wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:17 pm

cowboy71 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:13 pm
What have I missed?
No DVD
Anyone ever get a schwag bag in their cabin? I thought those were promised or hinted at at one point but can't recall ever getting one myself

No - trying to find reference to that. I bitched about it for so long I gave up bitching about it.

Edit - from a messager Stoverkill received. in 2015

stoverkill wrote:Thank you for writing to us!
The gifts are taking longer than expected to produce, but trust us - they are AWESOME!
Looking forward to seeing you on board!
Cheers,
your Ultimate Music Cruises team

No DVD

Also

No "Frequent Cruiser Program" that has been promised too!

by **cowboy71** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:28 pm

FURTHER UPDATE!!

99 days to go and:

- no pinned "OFFICIAL" 2020 thread on the forum
- no 2019 day 4 recap video
- no bands
- no booking codes
- no updated payment date in the terms and conditions
- no '100 days to go' post
- no 2020 logo
- no customer service
- no fucking hope
- no forum update since August 8th
- no twitter update since the last poolgirl on September 4th
- no youtube update since May 3rd
- no instagram update since September 11th
- no facebook updates since September 21st
- no Festival DVD
- no Frequent Cruiser Program
- no Special Gift for Veterans

What have I missed?

by **Godflesh** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:29 pm

cowboy71 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:28 pm
- no youtube update since the Day 3 video on April 18th

Actually, since this one on May 3rd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ5FQ5cFt4c

by **cowboy71** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:40 pm

Godflesh wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:29 pm

cowboy71 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:28 pm
- no youtube update since the Day 3 video on April 18th
Actually, since this one on May 3rd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ5FQ5cFt4c

May 3rd? Well, that's not so bad after all!

by **jeyrow** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:02 pm

- No Chainmail Santa
- No Fabio's invitation

cowboy71 wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:28 pm
FURTHER UPDATE!!

99 days to go and:

- no pinned "OFFICIAL" 2020 thread on the forum
- no 2019 day 4 recap video
- no bands
- no booking codes
- no updated payment date in the terms and conditions
- no '100 days to go' post
- no 2020 logo
- no customer service
- no fucking hope
- no forum update since August 8th
- no twitter update since the last poolgirl on September 4th
- no youtube update since May 3rd
- no instagram update since September 11th
- no facebook updates since September 21st
- no Festival DVD
- no Frequent Cruiser Program
- no Special Gift for Veterans

What have I missed?

by **Godflesh** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:09 am

(Keep in mind that Statsman lives in Australia, which lives in the future by one day, hence the discrepancies in some of those dates)

Let’s look at the YouTube presence of 70000Tons (https://www.youtube.com/70000tons) so far:
- March 27: pre-cruise recap
- Apr 3: Day 1 recap
- Apr 10: Day 2 recap
- Apr 17: Day 3 recap
- May 3: 30s promo
- Sep 20: 5mn23s promo, BUT NOT ON YOUTUBE

I have to say, to whoever thought it would be a good idea to post a 30s promo in May instead of the Day 4 recap, then decided NOT to post your most expensive and best promo video on YouTube in September: you are my hero.

by **Godflesh** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:23 am

In the unlikely event that there is a cruise next year, please don’t post videos on YouTube again, you’re not good at it.

by **Godflesh** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:56 am

And that’s how UMC lost their media manager...

by **TPH** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:55 am

My personal opinion: it's just harder and harder to find big/good names willing to come on the boat, and they are unable to assemble their line-up for 2020. Just remember last year, Napalm Death joined at the very last minute and they were asked just a few days before the cruise (Barney even joked about it on stage); so, UMC were still looking after decent sized bands at the 11th hour, and they didn't have a complete line-up just days before leaving. And, to be honest, last year's lineup was already really weak in my opinion.

The above post may be a complete pile of shit, I can be completely wrong. We'll never know, unless someone from UMC shows some basic respect for their customers, and tell people WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON - just saying.

by **cowboy71** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:04 am

TPH wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:55 am
My personal opinion: it's just harder and harder to find big/good names willing to come on the boat, and they are unable to assemble their line-up for 2020. Just remember last year, Napalm Death joined at the very last minute and they were asked just a few days before the cruise (Barney even joked about it on stage); so, UMC were still looking after decent sized bands at the 11th hour, and they didn't have a complete line-up just days before leaving. And, to be honest, last year's lineup was already really weak in my opinion.

The above post may be a complete pile of shit, I can be completely wrong. We'll never know, unless someone from UMC shows some basic respect for their customers, and tell people WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON - just saying.

It's so much closer to xmas/new years too which surely will reduce the number of bands willing to go. Christmas obligations and family stuff and such.

Plus, its so much more (like $500+ per person. At least!) to get to Miami from Australia because its a peak holiday time, I would imagine its similar for other parts of the world too. So that would add to the logistics issues with bands and crew members surely, especially if smaller bands have to pay their own way to get there and just get the cruise itself free and a bit of a bar tab as 'payment'.

by **cegr80** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:09 am

I have zero complains regarding boat lineup for the past three years, all have been magnificent imo. That being said, I was expecting something better than this radio silence crap for Round X. My mind cannot comprehend the reason behind all this delay in band announcements

by **Gratch** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:53 am

TPH wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:55 am
My personal opinion: it's just harder and harder to find big/good names willing to come on the boat, and they are unable to assemble their line-up for 2020. Just remember last year, Napalm Death joined at the very last minute and they were asked just a few days before the cruise (Barney even joked about it on stage); so, UMC were still looking after decent sized bands at the 11th hour, and they didn't have a complete line-up just days before leaving. And, to be honest, last year's lineup was already really weak in my opinion.

This is a very real possibility, especially with cruise dates near the holiday. Every band I've talked to on the boat (which, admittedly, isn't a ton) have said that the best case scenario for 70K is that they break even. Most of them talked about how much money they and/or their label lost by being on board.

It's entirely possible that Andy's gotten a ton of "nopes" and is simply scrambling to find anyone who can fill the void.

by **deathmetalpat** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:15 am

Well they just dropped a YouTube Video

https://youtu.be/bY1BwMsoFgk

by **bbqmonster** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:19 am

The same video is on Facebook just it was posted on September 20th. UGGGH!!

by **Ethrivas** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:44 am

Gratch wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:53 am
This is a very real possibility, especially with cruise dates near the holiday. Every band I've talked to on the boat (which, admittedly, isn't a ton) have said that the best case scenario for 70K is that they break even. Most of them talked about how much money they and/or their label lost by being on board.

It's entirely possible that Andy's gotten a ton of "nopes" and is simply scrambling to find anyone who can fill the void.

Well, i tend to disagree about this being the real reason for absence of announcements. Even if Andy is struggling to shape the lineup, i am quite sure he has at least 10-15 bands he can start to announce, then fill the rest in-between SOONs.

by **deathmetalpat** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:34 am

bbqmonster wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:19 am
The same video is on Facebook just it was posted on September 20th. UGGGH!!

I didn’t even see that post ,which reminds me 70k isn’t boosting their posts on Facebook (they have to pay for that) ,they never show up in my feed anymore.So I guess this YouTube thing was just another way to buy a couple of days without any real news.

by **bbqmonster** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:43 am

deathmetalpat wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:34 am

bbqmonster wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:19 am
The same video is on Facebook just it was posted on September 20th. UGGGH!!
I didn’t even see that post ,which reminds me 70k isn’t boosting their posts on Facebook (they have to pay for that) ,they never show up in my feed anymore.So I guess this YouTube thing was just another way to buy a couple of days without any real news.

Just go to their facebook page. It is the last post they made. Which was September 20th
https://m.facebook.com/70000tons/

by **Godflesh** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:03 pm

deathmetalpat wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:34 am
So I guess this YouTube thing was just another way to buy a couple of days without any real news.

Days? Try a couple of weeks.

by **sven321** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:41 pm

No ads in print magazines like Metal Hammer.

There always were ads in the second half of the year (at least here in Germany).

by **PotatoPotahto** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:41 pm

Slightly less noticed thing: The video they have embedded on the landing page (www.70000tons.com) is still the 2018 aftermovie, they haven't updated it to the 2019 one yet even though that video has been made/published for 10 days.

by **cowboy71** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:50 pm

FURTHER UPDATE!!

98 days to go and:

- no pinned "OFFICIAL" 2020 thread on the forum
- no 2019 day 4 recap video
- no bands
- no booking codes
- no updated payment date in the terms and conditions
- no '100 days to go' post
- no 2020 logo
- no customer service
- no fucking hope
- no forum update since August 8th
- no twitter update since the last poolgirl on September 4th
- no youtube update since May 3rd (UPDATE: finally got the video from facebook post on Sept 21st!)
- no instagram update since September 11th
- no facebook updates since September 21st
- no Festival DVD
- no Frequent Cruiser Program
- no Special Gift for Veterans
- no ads in print media
- no promoting of posts on facebook
- no poolgirl for October yet

What have I missed?

by **meshuggah** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:55 pm

I'm absolutely convinced that if they are not announcing tomorrow (the 10th cruise, 10th month gimmick), that 70000 Tons of Metal is DEAD!

by **Ravenlord** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:06 pm

PotatoPotahto wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:41 pm
Slightly less noticed thing: The video they have embedded on the landing page (www.70000tons.com) is still the 2018 aftermovie, they haven't updated it to the 2019 one yet even though that video has been made/published for 10 days.

Seems they have updated it now.

by **deathmetalpat** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:36 pm

Ravenlord wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:06 pm

PotatoPotahto wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:41 pm
Slightly less noticed thing: The video they have embedded on the landing page (www.70000tons.com) is still the 2018 aftermovie, they haven't updated it to the 2019 one yet even though that video has been made/published for 10 days.
Seems they have updated it now.

Thanks Caitlin!
It seems they are active here and checking in on the posts at least.At this point the ship itself has to be locked in and paid for (or at least a line of credit for about $2,000,000).So here is my theory,they wanted to weed out families and some of the less dedicated veterans to be replaced by newer people.70k of kids and wives don’t spend the amount of money on beer and merch as 70k of Metalheads.Think of it as “The Replacement Cruiser Theory “ ,it had to happen eventually because if younger people never got on the ship the cruise would just become 70k of Retirement Home

,or as cruising as known as “The Newlywed and Nearly Dead”

by **cowboy71** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:39 pm

deathmetalpat wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:36 pm

Ravenlord wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:06 pm

PotatoPotahto wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:41 pm
Slightly less noticed thing: The video they have embedded on the landing page (www.70000tons.com) is still the 2018 aftermovie, they haven't updated it to the 2019 one yet even though that video has been made/published for 10 days.
Seems they have updated it now.
Thanks Caitlin!
It seems they are active here and checking in on the posts at least.At this point the ship itself has to be locked in and paid for (or at least a line of credit for about $2,000,000).So here is my theory,they wanted to weed out families and some of the less dedicated veterans to be replaced by newer people.70k of kids and wives don’t spend the amount of money on beer and merch as 70k of Metalheads.Think of it as “The Replacement Cruiser Theory “ ,it had to happen eventually because if younger people never got on the ship the cruise would just become 70k of Retirement Home ,or as cruising as known as “The Newlywed and Nearly Dead”

It will weed out a lot of international cruisers to, due to the limited time to get organised, the increased cost in flights, and declining exchange rates against the US. Even if the internationals can make it, the increased costs would mean that they would have less disposable income to spend on the abovementioned beer and merch.

Leading to....

70000 Tons of Americans!

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