You make an interesting point , but the average person with medium financial resources would probably struggle to pay for the two cruises in a close interval as you suggest , even if it could be accomplished safely from a health and wellness aspect . I would select the Feb 2022 cruise only in the scenario that you present .zboy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:27 am correct
I was thinking of the Motorhead cruise which was september....
regardless, construct holds up...could push it later in year , and even do an almost double header dec 2021, then feb 2022, I would bet money that assuming covid cleared up, they both would sell out.
TRUTH, but by this date last year we knew cabin prices and deck plans.
The one is so true it hurts a little :)
I agree with what you are saying Royal Caribbean on the Mariner of the Seas ship was able to reschedule the 80 s cruise to March of 2022 already , so there is much hope for music cruises to return in the future .
Yep and "Cruise To The Edge", the prog rock cruise, is sailing on Navigator of the Seas, April 2022.metalforever wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:55 pmI agree with what you are saying Royal Caribbean on the Mariner of the Seas ship was able to reschedule the 80 s cruise to March of 2022 already , so there is much hope for music cruises to return in the future .
Zed3 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:07 am This is getting ridiculous... even by UMC's lofty standards ! We're just over 2 months out from sailing date and they keep posting on their social accounts like everything's fine.
UMC & RC must locked in a staring contest, who blinks first is the one who cancels the thing and pays the penalty, that's the only sane explanation to this situation... albeit not a satisfactory one ! Come we're 2 months out, everybody knows 70k won't sail on jan. 7th 21, make official one way or another ! And give us some bone to gnaw on by announcing the next sailing date (with the name of the cruise line if it's not too much too ask for this time ?) !
mbob wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:32 am There is no staring contest with RC. There is no way that RC has not already cancelled the charter. With the CDC requirements such as mask, no buffets, social distancing and limited venue capacity on board no charter cruises will be sailing anytime soon on any cruise line. Plus RC doesn't want the liability in case a shipful gets sick.
UMC might be waiting until they have either a rescheduled date for the cruise or are working one something different.
BTW...I don't think any of us need an announcement to know the cruise will not be happening in January.
Zed3 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:07 am This is getting ridiculous... even by UMC's lofty standards ! We're just over 2 months out from sailing date and they keep posting on their social accounts like everything's fine.
UMC & RC must locked in a staring contest, who blinks first is the one who cancels the thing and pays the penalty, that's the only sane explanation to this situation... albeit not a satisfactory one ! Come we're 2 months out, everybody knows 70k won't sail on jan. 7th 21, make official one way or another ! And give us some bone to gnaw on by announcing the next sailing date (with the name of the cruise line if it's not too much too ask for this time ?) !
What I read is that RC cancelled all cruises for December but anything after that may still happen and the CDC has lifted to no sail rule already so 70k may still happen for all we **officially** know...
You may be right on that but it's madness that 70k can't announce anything 2 months from the planned sailing date when it was clear months ago already that 70k wouldn't sail in january. All other theme cruises have announced new dates months ago !
I certainly don't ! But, reading some posts on the FB group, some people DO need 70k to spell the obvious for them....
I mean, "a bit crap" is a bit of an understatement... It's a fucking disgrace that there's been no official contact since March. No, "hey guys, we'll keep you up to date as soon as we can", no "just to reassure you we're working hard behind the scenes and keeping an eye on what's what", no "thanks for hanging in guys, here's where we stand." It'd take all of 5 minutes, once every couple of months, just to be a decent organiser and show even the TINIEST morsel of respect to the loyal fanbase, just SOMETHING. Every single other festival organiser I know of was going above and beyond to keep their fans informed, and they run vastly more high profile festivals than this. It ain't really on, and it's a testament to how loyal we all are that there's not been any uproar.cowboy71 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:19 pm 57 days to go! Wow! We'll get better than 1 band announcement a day!!!
Seriously though, its a bit crap that there is still not one iota of news about the next sailing (not even sure its worth referring to it as "70k 2021").
The social media crew carrying on almost like nothing unusual is happening....
Just give us some ACTUAL news - are you planning for a late 2021 sailing? Different cruise line? Different starting point? Throw us a BONE skipper!
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but it's very unprofessional and anti consumer to not be more communicative, and no I don't think the social media posts count, as they are content free and more feel good then actual cruise news.Dick wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:33 am At this point, I'm gonna agree that it's probably a plan to avoid some sort of cancellation thing with RC by having them doing it rather than 70k, and by showing that 70k is still "eager" to set sail and has no intention of cancelling is the goal. There might even be some sort of legal aspect to it and that's why they act the way they do - telling anyone what the plan is would likely ruin it. Being upset about what you basically already know (that it's not going to sail) doesn't make any sense to me. Your life isn't ruined because they're not updating you every step of the way. It would also be reasonable to assume that there isn't enough time and there's too much going on with Covid for them to snub a vast majority of their sailer-base (being foreign) by not giving you the time to plan should it sail. Everyone just needs to chill out and go with the flow.
Considering it is suppose to be a close knit worldwide heavy metal community , it would be appropriate for 70000 Tons to extend common courtesy to share information freely , many people save all year long to attend and to make plans a year ahead of time for the next year , also there is much money put into this ,I paid to 70000 Tons in three years of attending approximately 15,000 US dollars for 3 cruises , large portion of that going directly to 70000 Tons ! A little mutual respect and courtesy go a long way !slayergeek wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:08 amI don't necessarily disagree with you, but it's very unprofessional and anti consumer to not be more communicative, and no I don't think the social media posts count, as they are content free and more feel good then actual cruise news.Dick wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:33 am At this point, I'm gonna agree that it's probably a plan to avoid some sort of cancellation thing with RC by having them doing it rather than 70k, and by showing that 70k is still "eager" to set sail and has no intention of cancelling is the goal. There might even be some sort of legal aspect to it and that's why they act the way they do - telling anyone what the plan is would likely ruin it. Being upset about what you basically already know (that it's not going to sail) doesn't make any sense to me. Your life isn't ruined because they're not updating you every step of the way. It would also be reasonable to assume that there isn't enough time and there's too much going on with Covid for them to snub a vast majority of their sailer-base (being foreign) by not giving you the time to plan should it sail. Everyone just needs to chill out and go with the flow.
Is it the end of the world...no, do we all know the cruise is cancelled, sure. But come on, at some point the lack of communication is just silly. You have people that hand you a decent chunk of money every year, how hard is it to give us some real news about the state of things. Even a simple, we know things are trying, hang in there, we will get back to you soon'. Coming from Andy himself, this would be something at least.
100%metalforever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:03 am
Considering it is suppose to be a close knit worldwide heavy metal community , it would be appropriate for 70000 Tons to extend common courtesy to share information freely , many people save all year long to attend and to make plans a year ahead of time for the next year , also there is much money put into this ,I paid to 70000 Tons in three years of attending approximately 15,000 US dollars for 3 cruises , large portion of that going directly to 70000 Tons ! A little mutual respect and courtesy go a long way !
Well, that's it exactly. There's a thing in contract law called a "force majeure event." In this case, Royal officially cancelling the charter due to COVID-19 would BE that event. Ironically, UMC has to continue acting -- at least outwardly -- as if the cruise was still taking place. So, for the first time in UMC's rather tawdry announcement history, they might actually have an ironclad reason NOT to say too much.Dick wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:33 am At this point, I'm gonna agree that it's probably a plan to avoid some sort of cancellation thing with RC by having them doing it rather than 70k, and by showing that 70k is still "eager" to set sail and has no intention of cancelling is the goal. There might even be some sort of legal aspect to it and that's why they act the way they do - telling anyone what the plan is would likely ruin it.
This time I am fully surprised to see zero communication/updates and the 2021 dates unchanged.
Cardest wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:01 am 31 days to sail date.....oh wait...yeah, right!
Maybe we're gonna hear, see and know nothing until the sail date.
Silly.
So silly.
Maybe on Xmas day we'll get news.
HA!
Why keep us all guessing?
Why give us all the silent treatment?
We are what makes you.
Without us, there is no cruise.
We deserve to know at least a bit of news. A bit of an idea.
My guess, is 2022, same dates, same destination.
They just paid someone to stand back up the website, probably as part of some behind the scene upgrade (speculation on my part, but it would not surprise me). Also they are still paying the social media team. I fear for that possibility that they might go under as well, but I would think, for right now at least, sign point towards no.
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