Indeed.
Circling back to this point.mbob wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:49 pm
Regardless of when the ships will be sailing again, I believe that it is going to be extremely hard getting bands from overseas to commit to anything anytime soon. The last thing they want to do is risk investing money just to lose out due to cancellations. On top of that bands are hurting bad right now. A “vacation” gig that does not really pay that well compared to other opportunities might not be worthwhile. All of this could cause a big problem when it comes to booking.
Same here. I wouldn't like to miss the 10th anniversary, but I prefer to think about my health first.cowboy71 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 3:28 pm Desperately want to be there for the 10th anniversary. After having been on every single one so far it would suck to miss this one.
BUT. I'm 50 next year, I'm an asthmatic, and was a pack-a-day smoker until my mid-30s.
Given all the above I DO NOT want to be stuck on a cruise ship, or in America, and get COVID.
So unless there is a vaccine, I'm most likely out even if 70K goes ahead in January.
Not sure about flights. Could go either way - could be more expensive or they could be less expensive, slashing costs to try and encourage people to travel again.deathmetalpat wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:08 am The biggest selling point this year will be price ,unless they are totally unable to renegotiate the charter price going back to $666 cheap quads and everything else cheaper would be helpful.Hotels are going to be cheap in Miami,if the ability to enter USA is possible.Airlines on the other hand are going to be more expensive and probably harder to get a reasonable flight with fewer flights.The city of Miami will be a unpleasant experience as recession hits ,the Caribbean islands will be a stay on the boat situation for most of the cruisers.If you thought they were annoying before,just wait until the depressions hit the islands.i give cruise happening maybe 10% now.
My flights guess is a combination of less planes flying at 60% maximum capacity rate that is being floated around at the moment.I seen taken out every middle seat to just rearranging the seats in the plane to allow for more space.Nobody is talking about this at the moment because there are barely anyone on flights and it is easy to separate them.Right now it hard to guess how long these measures will last but the main problem is the second wave theory which would be hitting right around the time of the cruise.cowboy71 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:37 pmNot sure about flights. Could go either way - could be more expensive or they could be less expensive, slashing costs to try and encourage people to travel again.deathmetalpat wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:08 am The biggest selling point this year will be price ,unless they are totally unable to renegotiate the charter price going back to $666 cheap quads and everything else cheaper would be helpful.Hotels are going to be cheap in Miami,if the ability to enter USA is possible.Airlines on the other hand are going to be more expensive and probably harder to get a reasonable flight with fewer flights.The city of Miami will be a unpleasant experience as recession hits ,the Caribbean islands will be a stay on the boat situation for most of the cruisers.If you thought they were annoying before,just wait until the depressions hit the islands.i give cruise happening maybe 10% now.
Agree with you wholehearted about Miami and the Caribbean though. Those right there are great points that I hadn't thought of previously. Would NOT leave my hotelroom in Florida nor leave the boat in the Caribbean - what a nightmare they will be!
Agreed. We could see an increase in 'seated' metal shows. Like on 70k in the theater how they remove the front seats so we have a pit? Probably not gonna happen next time!DarkMacek wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:58 am Something I'm curious about on a larger scale is how to handle metal shows, period, in the coming years. More than any other public even (discounting orgies and the like), the presence of a mosh pit and the constant screaming/crowdsurfing has to be incredibly conducive for spreading this kind of thing. I don't imagine that orchestral shows have this problem.
Would you guys be willing to wear masks to shows? I would if it means we don't have to wait for a vaccine for any concert, period.
DarkMacek wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:58 am Something I'm curious about on a larger scale is how to handle metal shows, period, in the coming years. More than any other public even (discounting orgies and the like), the presence of a mosh pit and the constant screaming/crowdsurfing has to be incredibly conducive for spreading this kind of thing. I don't imagine that orchestral shows have this problem.
Sure, not a problem. I've acquired some decently comfortable ones. But I have my doubts as to whether they'd be truly effective.Would you guys be willing to wear masks to shows? I would if it means we don't have to wait for a vaccine for any concert, period.
As a pilot, and a capitalist, I can tell you that the airlines desperately want you to fly. If the demand is low and the supply high, the cost will be low. I can't see why costs would be higher. If I flew international (besides Canada from the U.S.), I'd be happy to fly to and from Geneva if there were passengers. We in the industry, really, really want people to fly if they are comfortable doing it. It keep us working.taketheday wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:48 am Even if a vaccine would be available this year and even if the cruise would be totally safe, what could be highly probable is the cost of the international flights. I read somewhere about the Geneva airport that the flights wont to be back to a normal way and that the cost would be higher for at least 2 years
If those types of outbound travel restrictions apply to more places than Australia, the cruise can't and won't happen. If people -- and bands -- can't get to it from overseas, there's no point.cowboy71 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 10:47 am A moot point for me anyway! Experts here in Australia are now saying that overseas travel won't open up for us until end of 2021!
An OPTIMISTIC industry expert said:
- "I think we might see some Asian and pacific ports open their borders to us from the start to the middle of next year,”
- She expects travel between Australia and New Zealand from September.
- And that "agreements with countries like Taiwan, Japan and South Korea could follow."
- She noted that “I think it’s too early to say what the world is going to look like, but I am slightly more optimistic than other people saying overseas travel won’t start until the end of next year.”
So according to that - no chance of Australian travel to the USA being open in January :(
Cardest yes your date is August 7 , I went and revised my guess to September 20 , the thread for this is close to the top now .Cardest wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:21 pm In 10 days, it will be 200 days to sailing.
We might get an update from the Skip about the next cruise.
I would imagine it won't mention anything close to cancellations.
I bet he will be more determined than ever to set sail for us all come Jan 7th, 2021.
Just a hunch.
Also, has anyone got that list of guessing dates up?
I can't even remember what date I guessed we'll get first announcements. I think I said Aug...something.
cheers
Surely another nail in the coffin for 70k.After careful consideration including consultation with the artists and our partners at Holland America Line, we have decided to re-schedule The Country Music Cruise to November 13-20, 2021 on the Holland America Line Nieuw Amsterdam.
We are still working out a few details; however, we are pleased to report the artists booked on the January 2021 Country Music Cruise lineup have all agreed to join us in November.
Agreed. Does not look good for 70K happening in Jan 2021
Especially damning since I'm assuming most of the bands and the fans for that country-music cruise are already from the U.S. Many (most) of 70K's clientele and performers aren't.cowboy71 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:05 pm The Country Music Cruise that sails out of Fort Lauderdale normally in January, has postponed to November 2021:
Surely another nail in the coffin for 70k.After careful consideration including consultation with the artists and our partners at Holland America Line, we have decided to re-schedule The Country Music Cruise to November 13-20, 2021 on the Holland America Line Nieuw Amsterdam.
We are still working out a few details; however, we are pleased to report the artists booked on the January 2021 Country Music Cruise lineup have all agreed to join us in November.
Yep!metalforever wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:28 pmCardest yes your date is August 7 , I went and revised my guess to September 20 , the thread for this is close to the top now .Cardest wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:21 pm In 10 days, it will be 200 days to sailing.
We might get an update from the Skip about the next cruise.
I would imagine it won't mention anything close to cancellations.
I bet he will be more determined than ever to set sail for us all come Jan 7th, 2021.
Just a hunch.
Also, has anyone got that list of guessing dates up?
I can't even remember what date I guessed we'll get first announcements. I think I said Aug...something.
cheers
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