What kinds of music do you like (besides metal)?

[Monmisreal]

Live Improv Jazz
Blues
Some Classical
Hip Hop

Here is where ill get some very very weird looks but the only other musical genre, and yes I do consider it a musical genre, that I love right behind Metal is Gangster Rap. The two really arent that dissimilar but most people dont even attempt to listen to that statement haha. Its just enjoyable to confuse the ever living hell out of rap fans when they find out I know and love my rap almost as much as I love my metal.

[Marietje66]

It would be easier to sum up the music I don't like.. which is house-music in general, and for the Dutch among us, "smartlappen".. which is a bit like country and western I suppose, but then worse...
For the rest I like almost anything, with a big preference for Metal/Rock/Heavy music and Classical music. These two genres are far more alike then most people suspect...
In the eighties I was very much into new age/new wave. Besides, I used to play in a brass band, sing in a church choir and took styledancing lessons, so lots of different kinds of music.

And Tyrwoman, your list of 70's song brought me back there as well. A major case of nostalgia...

[Tomasz]

couldn't sleep so started browsing this thread and came upon sausages, my fav

anywho, I'm into camping and we have different themes with each camp out, one of them being sausages during our anaual "Sausage Fest"

I typically bring nice piece of wood for some grilling



and here is some of our sausages :)

[Tuup]

It would be easier to sum up the music I don't like.. which is house-music in general, and for the Dutch among us, "smartlappen".. which is a bit like country and western I suppose, but then worse...

Ik heb hier een brief voor m'n moedeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer!


Ehhh Tomasz, what kind of genre are saucages? Wrong topic?
Edit: Didn't follow the whole off-topic discussion before...

[ShoreSlayer]

Ehhh Tomasz, what kind of genre are saucages? Wrong topic?

I'm convinced he's either part Dutch or a blood relative of Michael & Tim

[Dutchguy-Tim]

I don't have any on my MP3 player, but this stuff really stirs my 1/2 Scottish soul...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSH0eRKq1lE

or the "Metal" version...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLz8y5sp-lU&feature=related

Although the only Scottish part in me consists out of whisky...I do like folk alot next to metal. So you'll probably see me around the folk metal bands @ the cruise.

The good ol' Dubliners, always trying to catch a show when they are in the area...those guys aren't the youngest any more.
And my personal favorite from our own Lowlands...Rapalje.

Rapalje - Glen Coe / The Pumpin's Fancy / Crossing The Minch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDav0yV-k_Y

Rapalje - Johnnie Cope / The Geese in the Bog / Turf Lodge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uUUiQlM9U8

Rapalje - Caledonia - Inis Oirr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqa82hSWohc

hey wallie, went to rapalje yesterday
they were haveing a try out for their new show in Zaltbommel.
needless to say is was a great evening for us.
also proud to say I have the most unique rapalje shirt i can surlerly say no one else has such a shirt

[WallieWallie]

I don't have any on my MP3 player, but this stuff really stirs my 1/2 Scottish soul...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSH0eRKq1lE

or the "Metal" version...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLz8y5sp-lU&feature=related

Although the only Scottish part in me consists out of whisky...I do like folk alot next to metal. So you'll probably see me around the folk metal bands @ the cruise.

The good ol' Dubliners, always trying to catch a show when they are in the area...those guys aren't the youngest any more.
And my personal favorite from our own Lowlands...Rapalje.

Rapalje - Glen Coe / The Pumpin's Fancy / Crossing The Minch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDav0yV-k_Y

Rapalje - Johnnie Cope / The Geese in the Bog / Turf Lodge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uUUiQlM9U8

Rapalje - Caledonia - Inis Oirr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqa82hSWohc

hey wallie, went to rapalje yesterday
they were haveing a try out for their new show in Zaltbommel.
needless to say is was a great evening for us.
also proud to say I have the most unique rapalje shirt i can surlerly say no one else has such a shirt

I saw your FB post about it. I bet it must have been a awesome show. I've been checking the dates when they are near my little hellhole...the 18th in Vught but I already got stuff planned on that night. :( February the 5th in Heesch...but that's in the weekend I plan to return from this little boattrip. So I guess it'll be April the 16th when I will see them again. And I'm trying to keep a spot free in June when Keltfest is there.

Now quit bragging about your shirt...make a pic and post it!!! PIC or it didn't happen!!!

[Memnoch]

My taste in music is mostly pretty similar to you guys. Besides metal the obvious Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Uriah Heep... Heep was my second favorite after Maiden in my teens, had all their old(from the 70's) albums, Salisbury is still one of the best albums I know.

Lately I've listened a lot of other music than metal, Lady Gaga being the current favorite outside metal. Damn I was pissed off to see both shows in Finland were sold out about a month ago - would've gone, but my interest in Gaga seems to be too recent. :( Ah, Kylie is brilliant.


But to be honest, around 90% of music I listen to is metal. I hate, or hate being too strong a word, so: dislike, only a few genres: rap and hip hop, country&western(I know, I know, there might be some tolerable acts out there, but the ones we get here are just awful) and most trance/electro/whatever.

[ShoreSlayer]

Small handful of rock bands I enjoyed when I was younger that I haven't heard mentioned here much (or forgot)...

Streetheart
Manfred Mann's Earth Band
Prism
Trooper

[ragnaröks_roller]

Looks like I managed to post this twice..... Fixing double post.

[ragnaröks_roller]

I've got pretty eclectic taste in music, though metal's really where it's at for me, especially over the last several years. I think my metal-centricity might just have to do with all the really incredible bands who have integrated other types of music into metal.

I have a history with punk as both a music and lifestyle. Not to sound old and bitter, but this was before mohawks were cool and the current time when it seems to be perfectly acceptable to send your 10 year old to school with green hair. I don't put my punk records on the stereo as a matter of course much these days, but I'll never complain if you want to put the Blatz/Filth 7" on and mosh around the kitchen.

I love jazz, though I'm not really current in the jazz world and it doesn't get much air-time anymore. I really love and appreciate many classical composers from Wagnerian opera to Sebilius to Mozart. I got the chance to go to the Portland Symphony when I was visiting in April. Midori was the guest violinist and it was just as powerful an experience as any metal show I've been to. I have a keen interest in American and European folk music, extending into bluegrass. If I'm not listening to metal, some permutation of folk is probably on. I love the folk-punk stuff like Devil Makes Three.

Of course, like the rest of you, the straight-up rock genres appeal to me, particularly progressive rock and southern rock.

Hey Memnoch -- Äänekoski is just north of Jyväskylä, right? A couple years ago I decided to take up the task of familiarizing myself with the Finnish language (I say "familiarizing" and not "teaching myself Finnish", as my efforts are more like a very lax preoccupation than a serious undertaking). I started listening to streaming radio from Finland just to hear it spoken lots, and found Radio Jyväskylä. Fuckin' kick ass radio station! Not much dialogue, so it's not really accomplishing much of my "listening to spoken Finnish" goal, but they have a great format! I'm actually listening to it right now.

[Memnoch]

^Yup, only 40 kilometers to Jyväskylä. I lived in Jyväskylä a few years back, but moved back here - mainly because land is much cheaper here and I wanted to build my own house.

I'm not much of a radio listener, but I prefer YLE Radio 1 - it has mostly spoken program on. I try to listen to YLE Vega(Swedish spoken) pretty much for the same reasons as you listen to Finnish. I speak a bit Swedish and try to brush up on it.

[ragnaröks_roller]

^Yup, only 40 kilometers to Jyväskylä. I lived in Jyväskylä a few years back, but moved back here - mainly because land is much cheaper here and I wanted to build my own house.

Building a house -- heck of an undertaking! I hear you on the prices of real estate. About 80% of the reason I'm in Saskatoon as opposed to anywhere farther west is the price of houses/land.

[quote}I'm not much of a radio listener, but I prefer YLE Radio 1 - it has mostly spoken program on. I try to listen to YLE Vega(Swedish spoken) pretty much for the same reasons as you listen to Finnish. I speak a bit Swedish and try to brush up on it.[/quote]

I was listening to YLE 1 the other day during what would have been the middle of the night for you guys. Really threw me for a loop when they did a segment in what I think must have been Russian!

[Memnoch]

Building a house -- heck of an undertaking!

Well, my parents had a construction company a while back before retiring, so there's quite a lot of know-how in the family. So in 2005 me and my dad built me a house and the next summer one for my parents.

As for Russian program on radio, yes, we have quite a few Russians living in Finland, so we have some program for them as well. Then there's the Swedish-speaking minority and the Samish people in Lapland. Swedish and Samish are actually official languages in Finland, so any native speakers of those must get public services in their language. And everyone has to learn Swedish(and Finnish of course in case one's Swedish-speaking) in school.

[ragnaröks_roller]

.....and the Samish people in Lapland...

I have a fascination with arctic life and cultures and through some reading I was doing about efforts to develop reindeer herding in the Canadian arctic I stumbled across information about the Sami, who I was immediately intrigued by. Cool for me the local library has a bunch of books about the Sami, both historical and current. One in particular had a lot of info about Sami in the Finnish part of their territory and their relations with the Finnish government and the rest of Finnish society. Interesting stuff.

I probably shouldn't persist in derailing this thread any further, though. Thanks for the engaging me, Memnoch! Perhaps I can trouble you for some tales of your homeland while we're soaking up the sun closer to the equator in January.

Soooo, how 'bout that non-metal music?

[ShoreSlayer]

Soooo, how 'bout that non-metal music?

As I was saying...

Small handful of rock bands I enjoyed when I was younger that I haven't heard mentioned here much (or forgot)...

Streetheart
Manfred Mann's Earth Band
Prism
Trooper

[Jaimie38]

Trooper--First ever concert with Pretty Rough--1983 Grande Prairie.

Roller-so cool about learning Finnish--cool language!!! Hockey players and metalheads! LOL

[ShoreSlayer]

Trooper--First ever concert with Pretty Rough--1983 Grande Prairie.

Trooper was my first ever concert too!!

1978 or '79 at Northlands Coliseum in Edmonton (now called Rexxal Centre I think).

Can't remember who the opener was.

[Evil Red]

I'd LOVE to see Mannheim Steamroller live sometime. My family was big on their Fresh Aire albums (especially) when I was a kid. Too bad they never tour the west coast.

[Laura]

random awesome from the 1980's (and beyond) - just returned from seeing British EBM legends Nitzer Ebb

[ragnaröks_roller]

Got a little thing for industrial, huh, Tyrwoman? I friggin' love Ministry....



Oh, and I really don't know what genre Faith No More fits into, but I LOVE Faith No More.

[Laura]

Got a little thing for industrial, huh, Tyrwoman? I friggin' love Ministry....



Oh, and I really don't know what genre Faith No More fits into, but I LOVE Faith No More.

hehe - yep - that was some of my favorite music in the 80's - at the time I lived near the Wax Trax record store (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wax_Trax!_Records ) on Lincoln Avenue in Chicago (same people as the independent record label) - used to like to hang out there and all the dance clubs like Neo, Smart Bar, Medusa's, Berlin, Octagon, and Club 950 - there was a big "scene" here and it was a great time to be in my 20's. Talked to several people last night at Nitzer Ebb who were around my age and had done all that too back in the day - so it was a very nostalgic night!

Some of the Wax Trax label artists were Front 242, KMFDM, PIG, Underworld, Meat Beat Manifesto, Front Line Assembly, Young Gods, Sister Machine Gun, My Life With the Thrill Kill Kult, Coil, Controlled Bleeding, The KLF, Braindead Soundmachine, and Laibach. The label also released a bevy of side projects by Al Jourgensen and Paul Barker of Ministry, including Revolting Cocks, Acid Horse (a collaboration with Cabaret Voltaire), Pailhead (a collaboration with Ian Mackaye of Minor Threat), PTP (short for "Programming The Psychodrill"), Lead Into Gold (a solo vehicle for Barker), and 1000 Homo DJs.

rr - I loved your earlier posts - especially what you wrote about Midori....I don't go to very many classical concerts - but I did see violinist Joshua Bell at Orchestra Hall about a year ago and it was breathtaking - he is every bit as intense and riveting as any rock or metal guitarist I've seen!

[ragnaröks_roller]

hehe - yep - that was some of my favorite music in the 80's - at the time I lived near the Wax Trax record store (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wax_Trax!_Records ) on Lincoln Avenue in Chicago (same people as the independent record label) - used to like to hang out there and all the dance clubs like Neo, Smart Bar, Medusa's, Berlin, Octagon, and Club 950 - there was a big "scene" here and it was a great time to be in my 20's. Talked to several people last night at Nitzer Ebb who were around my age and had done all that too back in the day - so it was a very nostalgic night!

Some of the Wax Trax label artists were Front 242, KMFDM, PIG, Underworld, Meat Beat Manifesto, Front Line Assembly, Young Gods, Sister Machine Gun, My Life With the Thrill Kill Kult, Coil, Controlled Bleeding, The KLF, Braindead Soundmachine, and Laibach. The label also released a bevy of side projects by Al Jourgensen and Paul Barker of Ministry, including Revolting Cocks, Acid Horse (a collaboration with Cabaret Voltaire), Pailhead (a collaboration with Ian Mackaye of Minor Threat), PTP (short for "Programming The Psychodrill"), Lead Into Gold (a solo vehicle for Barker), and 1000 Homo DJs.

Oh wow! I grew up in Ann Arbor, Michigan, so anything going on in Chicago was very accessible and influential to us in southern Michigan. I missed really getting into the industrial/punk scene of the late eighties by a couple years, but I think could have very well gone down the path of the goth/industrial rather than metal/punk kid that I ended up as. I didn't have any older siblings or friends at the time to influence my taste in music, and it was about '89/'90/'91 that I was just discovering a taste for music that extended beyond the pop crap on the radio.

I loved your earlier posts - especially what you wrote about Midori....I don't go to very many classical concerts - but I did see violinist Joshua Bell at Orchestra Hall about a year ago and it was breathtaking - he is every bit as intense and riveting as any rock or metal guitarist I've seen!

Oooh, Josh Bell is fantastic. That concert must have been amazing! I uploaded a CD from the library of him doing some Sibelius concertos onto my iPod (shhhh!). Think I might give that a listen right now, in fact.

[Laura]

^^^^ rr! I think I would very much love to talk with you more about music in person on the cruise!

I've been thinking about this a lot lately....there is really very little music that I don't like! Of course, I am drawn to certain genres and sub-genres more than others (in metal, about 80% Scandinavian folk, death, and black). A good friend and I share a lot of our music collections and she just loaned me something called Blackhorse which is a recording of Mongolian traditional music - listening to it right now and I like it! I love almost any kind of traditional/folk music, though - perhaps why I went particularly nuts for Tyr in the metal realm .

A lot of "world music" interests me but haven't spent too much time exploring it. Another friend of mine (another huge industrial fan) especially likes Amadou & Mariam from Mali - Je pense a toi is quite beautiful (especially the lyrics!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iju1_DhH2Qs

Je pense a toi, mon amour, ma bien aimee
(I think of you my love, my beloved)
Ne m’abandonne pas, mon amour, ma cherie
(Don't leave me, my love, my dear)

Quand je suis dans mon lit, je ne reve qu’a toi
(When I'm in my bed I dream only of you)
Et quand je me reveille, je ne pense qu’a toi
(And when I wake, I think only of you)

Si je ne te vois pas, je ne peux rien dire
(If I don't see you, I can say nothing,)
Je ne peux rien faire, je ne peux rien voir
(I can do nothing, I can see nothing)
Je ne veux rien savoir
(I don't want to know about anything)
Mon amour, ma cherie
(My love, my dearest)

Certains t’ont promis la terre
(You've been promised the world by some)
D’autres promettent le ciel
(Others promised heaven*)
Il y en a qui t’ont promis la lune
(Some promised you the moon)
Et moi je n’ai rien que ma pauvre guitare
(And me, I've nothing but my poor guitar)

(*or just 'the sky' if you're feeling less poetic!)

[ShoreSlayer]

Mike Patton did great things with FNM after he stepped in but the Introduce Yourself album was a fucking fun little piece of work. There's a few songs on there that just ruled in their own weird way.

Here's one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHhaHBVUSQ0

I particularly like the little spoken word bit

Oh really, don't come back. Stay out! Dear Esther, farewell. I was only kidding. Bitch. Come back, I didn't mean it. Said I was only kidding.

[ShoreSlayer]

Some of the Wax Trax label artists were Front 242, KMFDM, PIG, Underworld, Meat Beat Manifesto, Front Line Assembly...

A lot of Devin fans don't know that he played guitar and did studio work with these guys on a number of projects. Not really my tasted but listening to some of this stuff provides an interesting backdrop for where Dev picked up some of his studio smarts/approach.

[ragnaröks_roller]

^^^^ rr! I think I would very much love to talk with you more about music in person on the cruise!

Absolutely!

... A good friend and I share a lot of our music collections and she just loaned me something called Blackhorse which is a recording of Mongolian traditional music - listening to it right now and I like it! .............A lot of "world music" interests me but haven't spent too much time exploring it.

Just looked Blackhorse up on YouTube -- Neat-O! I have to admit a lot of folk traditions don't appeal to me as a listener just because they're based on such a different set of conventions of music theory it's hard to get into. Not so much with this, though! I guess that's not surprising given the ethnographies that both fed into modern Mongolian culture, and also the influence Mongols have had on a HUGE chunk of Asia and Europe.

I love almost any kind of traditional/folk music, though - perhaps why I went particularly nuts for Tyr in the metal realm

Yeah, me too. I was just starting to ponder the reality of me going on this cruise a couple band announcements before Tyr. I had my laptop out on a lunch break at work when I logged onto FaceBook and saw the Tyr announcement. I pounded my fists on the table shouting something unintelligible through the food in my mouth, quite shocking my co-workers! After recovering I made the statement that I am GOING on that boat! That Heri Joensen is one smart cookie on top of being an extremely talented musician. (Not exactly hard on the eyes, either.) Good thing for him I don't have stalker tendencies.

Another friend of mine (another huge industrial fan) especially likes Amadou & Mariam from Mali - Je pense a toi is quite beautiful (especially the lyrics!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iju1_DhH2Qs

Wow. That's cool, too. If I had heard that out of context I would have totally thought it was Creole! I love being able to see connections in the roots of culture and music.

[Memnoch]

I love almost any kind of traditional/folk music, though - perhaps why I went particularly nuts for Tyr in the metal realm

Yeah, me too.

I'm not a big fan of folk music, but do like a couple of artists. Namely the Finnish progressive folk band Tenhi and German Empyrium. Tenhi is the better of those two, obviously because of being a truly Finnish act, melancholic and dark. And they sing in Finnish. :)
Empyrium has some metal elements on some their work, but their masterpiece Where at Night the Wood Grouse Plays is all acoustic.

Tenhi's MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/tenhiband
Empyrium's MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/ensembleofempyrium

[Laura]

I love almost any kind of traditional/folk music, though - perhaps why I went particularly nuts for Tyr in the metal realm

Yeah, me too.

I'm not a big fan of folk music, but do like a couple of artists. Namely the Finnish progressive folk band Tenhi and German Empyrium. Tenhi is the better of those two, obviously because of being a truly Finnish act, melancholic and dark. And they sing in Finnish. :)
Empyrium has some metal elements on some their work, but their masterpiece Where at Night the Wood Grouse Plays is all acoustic.

Tenhi's MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/tenhiband
Empyrium's MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/ensembleofempyrium

Memnoch,
Thanks so much for the links! I've listened to the songs on Tenhi's myspace plus watched a few videos so far - really great stuff - like it a lot! I like how they describe their music - metal/gothic/folk - also 'folk aesthetic" - very cool and different sound. I like your comment "Tenhi is the better of those two, obviously because of being a truly Finnish act, melancholic and dark" - hmmmm melancholic and dark, eh? I always like hearing other languages too (even though I don't understand a word most the time - especially Finnish )


ragnaröks_roller,
Yesterday, I asked my friend who loaned me the Black Horse cd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0-0r_4ODDo how she happened to buy it. Cool story....several years ago she was on vacation in Amsterdam and saw these Mongolians playing traditional music in front of the Rijksmuseum. She enjoyed them so much she bought their CD! There is so much interesting music out there in our world! I haven't spent much time exploring folk/traditional/world music - but hope to more in the future. One group whose music I do know well and have seen twice is Tinariwen from Mali. They have a big following in Chicago so they have come here a number of times. They also have big fans in the rock world - among them Robert Plant and Carlos Santana. They are a very cool group to see live - can't help but dance/move around a lot when listening to the music!
TINARIWEN - MATARADEN ANEXAN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbdiCDsi ... re=related
Tinariwen & Carlos Santana : Amassakou http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCkSX6Kl ... re=related

[ragnaröks_roller]

Yay! So much stuff to check out! I'm trying to get to bed now, but a precursory listen reveals I like Tenhi and Empyrium quite a bit. I'll check out your links tomorrow, Tyrwoman -- can't wait!

[mooyagi]

I'm gonna bump this thread. I absolutely love the band Shinedown. They are a "radio rock" band, but Brent Smith is an incredible vocalist. I feel like he'd do well in a metal band.

[cowboy71]

Metal makes up the bulk of my music but I do like some other stuff too.

Bryan Adams I love - particularly his early stuff, it really rocked out. That damn Robin Hood song ruined everything though - cannot blame him for going soft as that's where the $$$$ was but still...

I like a lot of alternative/pop/punk too. Bowling for Soup always make me smile - I never get tired of songs like 1985, or Almost.

MxPx are another all-time favourite of mine. Looking forward to seeing them again at Soundwave next year!!

[mooyagi]

Might as well add a few others:

Red Hot Chlli Peppers, Incubus, Sevendust and HIM (Yes, HIM. My very guilty pleasure)

[WizardBeast]

it's really hard to draw the line sometimes. some of the stuff i like has elements of metal but not everyone would think it's metal. i like a lot of fusion-y stuff. like i would say Faith NO MOre is pretty metal (and awesome), that's just me though.

here's just some of the not metal or not quite metal stuff i love:

New Wave/80s: DEVO, Talking Heads, The Fixx, Tears for Fears, The Police
Proggy: Zombi, Nightingale, Thought Industry (why they never got bigger, i will never know), Porcupine Tree, King Crimson, Rush, Riverside, Ozric Tentacles (my prog list could get way bigger)
Fusion/weird shit: Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Estradasphere, Panzerballett, Exivious, Chimp Spanner
Folk or Bluegrass: Split Lip Rayfield, Chris Thiele, Dead Can Dance, Brendan Perry, Loreena McKennitt, Talking Heads, Masada

Any of you folk fans really really really need to check out Faun Fables:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MI6hetK ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNF7jcUq-yM

[Lala]

Music besides metal? Yes - there is....
i like Merengue - Olga Tañon or Las Sabrosos del Merengue
Soca from people like Red Plastic Bag or Naya George
All kinds of Reggae, jamaican and hawaiian..
no go: Country music .....

[WizardBeast]

Any of you folk fans really really really need to check out Faun Fables:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MI6hetK ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNF7jcUq-yM

i had to bump this because anyone who likes any folk should really hear Dawn the Faun's voice

[kingoftwilight]

BRITCORE , CLASSIC AND COUNTRY






momänt isch da s getöse fangt aa
en letschte blick atlantis isch am undergaa
d wälle ruuscht aa schlaat über de dächer zäme
d wohlgroth versinkt d herze sind am bräne...........


(primitive lyrics ca. 1994)

[last_candle]

some of you might not have recognized the Swiss German because of the awful dialect

[Laura]

Mooyagi - look out - another ZOMBIE thread!

Moved from the gig thread on Engine Room Forum....

^^^ but I'm not so sure I should be "exposing my child" to Rihanna either considering her latest song/video entitled S & M - flagged as "adult" on you-tube and banned apparently in several countries. I'm not a prude and I could really care less what Rihanna does in her videos...what bugs me in this case though is that pre-teen/early teen girls are a big chunk of her audience...she knows that, her producers know that - so what's up with that subject matter? For the record, my 13 year old is creeped out by the video, and her favorite from the new album is What's My Name? My fave Rihanna song/video is still Umbrella (brella, brella, hey, hey, hey...)

Umbrella is a good song, but my favorite would have to be Love The Way You Lie ft. Eminem
awesome video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uelHwf8o7_U

Yeah - that's a great one (btw - is that Megan Fox in that video?) - we talked about it on this very thread before I think! Another great Eminem/female singer pairing is in the song Stan with Dido - disturbing song/video about an obsessive fan - but REALLY well done IMO. And Dido is so great.
Eminem ft. Dido: Stan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSLZFdqwh7E

Ha - my fave Eminem video is Slim Shady from over 10 years ago though - it's just so outrageous
and funny (love that Kathy Griffin and Fred Durst are in it) - it will be cool to see him at Lollapalooza this summer!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJO5HU_7_1w

And here's a new one from Rihanna - What's My Name? ft. Drake....Can't believe she is only 23!- so much fame at such a young age...even on the current cover of American Vogue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0CGsw6h60k

[mooyagi]